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The enjoyment of poetry leads to hell, perhaps

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  • December 17, 2014 at 9:37 am #43462
    Fool Turtle
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    “Put everything into the initial connexion.
    The posture thereafter must spring from that connexion.
    The initial connexion has to be whole-hearted.
    What happens thereafter must not be a distraction.
    In other words, the heart keeps pumping out that connexion.
    The technique is a whisper.
    What is completed between you has the feeling of an entirety – of a being.
    The responsibility is to be open.

    The working of the mind is too slow to deal with real life.
    To be sincere in this matter is not a question of thinking about it.
    Sufficient practice must be undertaken so that basic body usage is not a grinding problem.
    It is impossible to describe how thorough going your dedication needs to be.
    What bit of you has the wisdom to know what is unknowable?
    There is no mind to deliberate or be backwards.
    If there isn’t a feeling of coming home and finding a lively peace within then you are missing the point.

    If there is a way of life or living it has to be joining from the heart.
    The eyes are so quick to translate your heart feelings.
    The ground is a heart platform.
    Although important the eyes have to take second place to the heart.
    Be open to the connecting of your heart with the other person’s heart.
    If the other person wants information about you let them open their heart.
    Connecting is not a personal matter.
    In any real interchange it is the Third Heart that counts.
    Light and embracing, but embracing as a giving from the heart rather than capturing.
    And the inspiration of the Third Heart is nutrition for your becoming.
    The spirit must be allowed freedom to dart about and tempt the heart at the right moment.
    To be a believer is to be a positive being – a believer is someone who is becoming.
    Becoming leaves no imprint.
    Becoming swallows what is commonly known as destiny.
    Spirit is the effervescence of real interest in something other than yourself.

    The essence of true destiny is yielding.
    The essence of yielding is softness.
    The essence of softness is entering.
    The essence of entering is welcoming openness.
    The essence of openness is heart.”
    – Grandmaster John Kells, British Tai Chi Chuan Association

    —-Ruth and Naomi, by He Qi (1994, Ink and Color on Paper)

    Forests and fields, rocks and weeds – my true companions.
    The wild ways of the Crazy Cloud will never change.
    People think I’m mad but I don’t care:
    If I’m a demon here on earth, there is no need to fear the hereafter.

    Every day, priests minutely examine the Dharma
    And endlessly chant complicated sutras.
    Before doing that, though, they should learn
    How to read the love letters sent by the wind and rain, the snow and moon.

    Monks these days study hard in order to turn
    A fine phrase and win fame as talented poets.
    At Crazy Cloud’s hut there is no such talent, but he serves up the taste of truth
    As he boils rice in a wobbly old cauldron.

    Bliss and sorrow, love and hate, light and shadow, hot and cold, joy and anger, self and other.
    The enjoyment of poetic beauty may well lead to hell.
    But look what we find strewn all along our Path:
    Plum blossoms and peach flowers!

    January 12, 2015 at 12:51 pm #43463
    c_howdy
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    Whitney Houston: Yes, somewhere tonight Patrick Bateman is weeping, shocked but not surprised, and ordering three hookers instead of two…
    -https://twitter.com/BretEastonEllis/status/168505561128775680

    I think that studying poetry as such is not very dangerous, but using verbalisations mnemonically requires special kind of effort and also method.

    So even with one’s mother tongue real exortion is needed.

    I have in the end quite small and compact library, but I have also for example bilingual version of Charles Baudelaire’s Les Fleurs du Mal (French/English) and Friedrich Nietzsche’s Also Sprach Zarathustra (German/English). In both cases one very quickly can have a feeling that these are not very easy to translate and for example Baudelaire’s poetry is of course totally impossible to interpret with all details.

    Propably it is better to carefully to try to see if one also has time to start to learn Chinese.

    And if one has, to try to attempt to find the right method.

    Personally I have chosen more seriously Sanskrit/Hindi combo.

    HOWDY

    Ps. Sorry but if the Tom of Finland picture comes through I think that in that Accept song just this is taking place, but only in bigger group. Before trying to intepret what is happening in the lyrics, one needs to understand that those Accept musicians haven’t seemingly understood how predominantly unintentionally homoerotic lyrics they some times have had. If I have understood right they actually had female lyricist who did that to them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-q2UquiCRw (acceptheadoverheelsgaygangbang)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0ka1tY5yg (milesdavisonthecorner)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAAqAnCBNKQ (kingcrimsonstarless)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3BaGMevjeM (milesdavisrunsthevoodoodown)

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