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September 12, 2017 at 12:01 pm #51186rideforeverParticipant
Some thoughts on the five elements.
I was surprised to discover some time back that the Wood element is the most yang, and the Metal the most yin… I had presumed it was Fire / Water, but no.
What I notice is that the Wood cycle growing so strongly is working to generate a pile of energy that is then burnt by the Fire cycle. Generating / Harvesting. Like a farmer growing crops and then harvesting. Likewise on the other side the Metal cycle is condensing with is also generating, and then harvested by the Water cycle.
So it seems that these 4 phases are Generating / Harvesting twice. I am sure many conjectures could be made of why this design has been chosen for the universe, what the implications are, and how it can be harnessed.
When the Wood is burnt – where does the energy go ? A fire burning is very beautiful isn’t it ? Perhaps it is the same with our work labour, we work 5 days a week and burn the product of our work for 2 days on the weekend partying.
And in the Autumn (Metal) there is the fall with its many tasks of preparation, and from that we harvest the retreat and stillness of the Winter (Water).
We seem to be energetic machines that grow and then harvest.
Explore and then reflect.MMA / TAIJIQUAN
Another question is why Taiji does not defeat MMA and how can we understand MMA grappling techniques in terms of the Five Elements.
Crushing / suffocating must be the Metal element. So the responses could be Wood or Fire -manifested as mobility / ferocity. Or sliding into the Water element – manifested perhaps some technical understanding of slipping out of the grapple.
Also the MMA Grapplers, these people are not seeking to become balanced for their internal growth. Such one dimensional “fighting” is not good for the health. If one just wants to win, bring a gun. But “fighting” and hopefully all our social activities should be designed in accordance with the higher goals of life, there should be a harvest, and should bring balance to ourselves.
However MMA certainly represents a society headed downwards, stamping on the heads of men and women who are on the ground, is a new low.Note :
The Metal > Water transition I still don’t quite understand.
Also I personally feel the 4 elements are complete in the manifested world and the 5th Earth element represents the downwards link to the Source. The 4 elements are too present without the ground.Another thing is that if there were only 4 elements in a regular cross something about it just doesn’t feel right, there is not enough variation and too much symmetry. With 5 Elements you can rotate with 4 you cannot.
4 elements in a double Generating / Harvesting pattern and neatly explains the relationship between Yin / Yang and the elements.
You cannot make a connection between Yin / Yang and 5 elements, because 5 is not symmetrical. Which is why I believe the 5th represents a different meta-dimension of existence, namely absence. 4 represent presence, 1 represents absence.
September 19, 2017 at 3:27 pm #51203c_howdyParticipanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0t166flodQ
Sorry for my broken English.
…also the MMA Grapplers, these people are not seeking to become balanced for their internal growth…
But all real Shaolin practitioners are after that; isn’t it so?
HOWDY
September 22, 2017 at 11:52 am #51209c_howdyParticipant…another question is why Taiji does not defeat MMA and how can we understand MMA grappling techniques…
One surely needs enough full-contact training and clearly it’s possible to make real development in Tai Chi Chuan only very slowly.
HOWDY
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_sport#Full-contact-
A (full) contact sport is any sport for which significant physical impact force on players, either deliberate or incidental, is allowed or within the rules of the game.
September 22, 2017 at 3:46 pm #51210c_howdyParticipantA duel is an arranged engagement in combat between two people, with matched weapons, in accordance with agreed-upon rules. Duels in this form were chiefly practiced in early modern Europe with precedents in the medieval code of chivalry, and continued into the modern period (19th to early 20th centuries) especially among military officers.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel-
The novel depicts a world where genetic selection for increased health, longevity, and intelligence has become so widespread that the unmodified ‘control naturals’ are a carefully managed and protected minority. Dueling and the carrying of arms is a socially accepted way of maintaining civility in public; a man can wear distinctive clothing to show his unwillingness to duel, but this results in an inferior social status.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_This_Horizon-
September 22, 2017 at 5:02 pm #51211rideforeverParticipantBroken records.
How much globalisation to allow ?
Can we do more to liberate women ?
Does tai chi have enough full contact practice ?The monkey-people debate endlessly about these questions.
But these aren’t the questions … that you are looking for.
September 23, 2017 at 11:37 am #51212c_howdyParticipant…however MMA certainly represents a society headed downwards…
Not at all!
It’s not at all about for example avarice; it’s about competiotion.
HOWDY
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_scar-
Dueling scars (German: Schmisse) have been seen as a “badge of honour” since as early as 1825. Known variously as “Mensur scars”, “the bragging scar”, “smite”, “Schmitte” or “Renommierschmiss”, dueling scars were popular amongst upper-class Austrians and Germans involved in academic fencing at the start of the 20th century. Being a practice amongst university students, it was seen as a mark of their class and honour, due to the status of dueling societies at German and Austrian universities at the time, and is an early example of scarification in European society. The practice of duelling and the associated scars was also present to some extent in the German military.
September 23, 2017 at 12:13 pm #51213rideforeverParticipantFew escape from this place because they cannot imagine anything different.
Man is deeply lost and he betray his own soul, and so loses it.
Wide is the road and broad the gate that leads to destruction, and many find it.
Where has innocence gone.September 25, 2017 at 6:31 pm #51223c_howdyParticipant…where has innocence gone…
Innocence clearly doesn’t lead anywhere.
It’s only makes one weak hypocrite.
Sorry but was this so called grace for example what this Anneliese Michel received because of innocence?
HOWDY
October 25, 2017 at 1:55 pm #51357c_howdyParticipanthttps://info-buddhism.com/dorje_shugden_Choegyal_Namkhai_Norbu.html
In general one cannot say that the class of Gyalpo are always negative. There are also some important Gyalpo guardians. For example, Guru Padmasambhava gave the task of protecting the temple of Samye to Gyalpo Pehar. So it is not negative at all. But then, regarding the Gyalpo, there are different levels and it is very important for us to understand the character of the Gyalpo and how they create provocations because each of the eight classes has their own way of provocating.
The Gyalpo always provoke people with nervousness, confusion and being upset. These are the most important secondary causes through which the Gyalpo can provoke or disturb and for the person under their influence, confusion rises even more. So this is the provocation of Gyalpo in general.
For example, when I was younger, during my college years, I knew that Samye temple was very important. It was the only temple built during the time Padmasambava and the guardian of this temple is Gyalpo Pehar. So I thought that Gyalpo Pehar must be important. When I did the puja of the guardians, I always included Gyalpo Pehar. Then I also had the feeling that Gyalpo Pehar was good and that I had to do even more. But gradually I started to understood the characteristic of the provocation of the class of Gyalpo. When I did the practice of Gyalpo Pehar I observed that my confusion and nervousness increased. Then I thought that it would be better not to do this practice and since that time I haven’t done it anymore.
There also exists a Gyalpo, not of a high level like Gyalpo Pehar, but a bad spirit. (One can become a bad spirit particularly when one has received Vajrayana teaching and created some heavy samaya problems, then something bad happens and they become a bad spirit.) This kind of spirit becomes dependent on the class of Gyalpo. That means if they are a bit powerful they can become a kind of Gyalpo and can do something. Instead somebody less powerful becomes only a subject (victim) of the Gyalpo.
At the time of the 5th Dalai Lama there was a monk who broke his samaya in a very bad way and created lots of problems and at the end of his life he died very tragically and became a kind of Gyalpo. He became part of a group of Gyalpo. Later this Gyalpo manifested and some Gelugpa and Sakyapa lamas had contact with that spirit. And it seemed that that spirit helped them and served them so they considered him to be a good guardian. Then they invented a puja to have more contact with that spirit. Later the 5th Dalai Lama and Minlig Terchen, an important Nyingmapa lama, found out about this and said that this was a very bad spirit which shouldn’t be considered as a guardian, but should be eliminated. They performed many pujas in order to eliminate him but maybe they did not succeed very well.
Some Gelugpa Lamas continued to do pujas and particularly some very sectarian Gelugpa lamas believed that this Gyalpo was a very good guardian because he only protected the Gelugpa school and eliminated and controlled all the other schools. They believed that and continued to do more pujas and ask for more of these kinds of actions which seemed to work with the Gyalpo. Or at least they thought they did. And they went on like this for many centuries.
Some Lamas didn’t like what was happening and tried to go against this development, but without success. Then our present Dalai Lama told us that when he was young, one of his younger teachers taught him this practice of Gyalpo. The Gyalpo was called Gyalpo Shugden, it wasn’t just any kind of Gyalpo. He said that when he was young, he did this kind of puja for some years. But later when he studied the books of the 5th Dalai Lama, he found that it was something negative. And he discovered that this guardian had also disturbed the government of Tibet. Later on the Dalai Lama asked people for many years not to do this practice anymore, because it is very negative. That is true, because I know at least three or four people in my country, in particular one of my uncles at the Sakyapa monastery, who also did the Gyalpo practice. One of my uncles was a lama there and performed pu-jas in the Gyalpo temple for two or three years. In the end he had a very strong illness, his energy became disordered and he had a great many problems. I know three other lamas who performed pujas in the same temple and one after another each of them went mad. This was the influence of the Gyalpo. Sometimes it seems that for a short while the practice of Gyalpo helps – that is why many people do the Gyalpo puja – but in the real sense they get disturbed later on because when someone is connected with the Gyalpo, they are transformed and become subject to them. When these people die they become part of the class of Gyalpo. The life of a Gyalpo may last for five or six thousand years so for that reason it is considered something very negative.
But instead of following the advice of the present Dalai Lama some Gelugpa lamas went against him saying that this guardian is important and that they had to do this puja and this practice. They tried to develop this practice, particularly in China and Tibet: in Tibet there are many Gelugpa monasteries with Gyalpo temples. Then they made some propaganda and said that the Dalai Lama does not allow free religious practice. The Dalai Lama never said that he forbade them to do this practice; he simply advised them that it is not good. Everybody can give advice, why not? So when the Dalai Lama went to America, at the two or three different places he visited there were small groups with some Tibetan Gelugpa lamas and their western followers who protested saying: “The Dalai Lama denies us the right to free religion”. Of course the Chinese gave them a lot of support because they like it very much when Tibetans have disagreements among themselves.
So you have to be careful because now even in the western world these groups are trying to influence people saying they are spreading dharma teachings. You are always free to decide for yourselves, but you can receive negativities. In Italy this group is very influential because the second most important person who is against the Dalai Lama lives in Milan and it is the place where the practice of Gyalpo is being developed. If you have had some connection with these people you should do the practice of Guru Dragphur. By doing the practice of Guru Dragphur, you won’t receive the negative influence of the Gyalpo. But those who have already had a relationship with them should stop this relationship and should do the practice of Guru Dragphur otherwise they will find themselves with many problems later on. Or if somebody feels that these problems are already there come to me and I give you a kind of protection for not receiving these negativities.
October 25, 2017 at 5:15 pm #51359rideforeverParticipantCan you access innocense ?
One of the sadnesses of this world is the hurting of each other that humans excel at. For instance as I am typing this I can hear my neighbour downstairs cutting down a 20 year old arm of a Eucalyptus tree so that his idiot vain good-for-nothing cake-eating common as muck hanger on girlfriend can sunbathe without having a single leaf fall on her on the 3 days of the year when they get sun in the garden.
Brutality and stupidity is never questioned.
Annaliese was born 7 years after then end of WW2 in a country that was stripped bare and raped by all departing conquering troops. The pychic trauma was horrendous and continues to this day. Mix that in with the Catholic Church there probably trying desperately to hold things together and a violent psychiatry wanting to do their procedures to her … and you have to have compassion for this child.
In fact I went to the local NHS GP (general doctor) last week to get a basic blood test and she refused to do it if I didn’t let her stick her index finger into my rectum to see if there was anything wrong. Reminded me of all the GPs that needed to hold my testicles whilst I coughed when I was young.
Such terrifying insanity has lead many to the path.
Let us hope most are too asleep to notice.
Indulge in your Tibetan terror stories if you like. And it is true, in the subconscious realm that human-monkeys inhabit are many nasty beasts, and some have been here for a long time. But their bark is worse than their bite. Their many activity is to draw your attention to them – don’t let them.
Basically until you become CONSCIOUS you are doomed.
Consciousness is the force that without fail cleans the house, effortlessly, naturally. It never fails. It is simply a higher state.
But you have to get there first.
October 31, 2017 at 2:33 pm #51387c_howdyParticipant…Annaliese was born 7 years after then end of WW2…
Her actual problem can be understood if one understands to what is referred in Chao Bi Chen formula number 16 (Appearing in Space).
… I didn’t let her stick her index finger into my rectum…
Simple prostate matter?
HOWDY
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.
October 31, 2017 at 2:49 pm #51388c_howdyParticipant…indulge in your Tibetan terror stories if you like…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulku_Dragpa_Gyaltsen#Subsequent_rebirths
Some believe that Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen then appeared as the wrathful deity Dorje Shugden. However at that time Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen’s own students and supporters disagreed with this account, stating that this spirit was not that of Drakpa Gyeltsen but rather that of the Fifth Dalai Lama’s minister Desi Sönam Chöpel (sde srid bsod nams chos ’phel; 1595-1658), who was an enemy of Drakpa Gyeltsen and who had also died around the same time. Georges Dreyfus also notes that “there are other stories that seem to hint that the evil spirit connected with Drak-ba Gyel-tsen was already active prior to the latter’s demise, even as early 1636. If Shuk-den was already active prior to Trul-ku Drak-ba Gyel-tsen’s tragic demise, how can he be the latter’s wrathful manifestation?”
October 31, 2017 at 3:06 pm #51389rideforeverParticipantOh the Tibetans. It’s very very complicated. Who is the 5th Lama or whatever ? Is it this guy on the Left or the other guy on the Right ? Is is it the 17th Kadampa ? Or is that Karmapa ?
Real big hierarchy … organised religion?
Funny thing is I was checking out the website of one of these X-Factor Kadampas and I was not impressed. Bowing, orange robes, candles, sitting shaving head very still. Okay and then ?
It’s all a bit BS isn’t it ?
Please stop the BS.
As for your book on Taoist Yoga by Charles Whatever …. anyone actually achieve immortality yet ?
Because the difference between having a book that talks about immortality and actually getting there is quite big. And we live in a world of confused apes who talk a lot.
Being simple is quite difficult for egotistic apes.
The funny thing is all these teachers say … oh don’t worry you’ll understand later.
Sounds like a ponzi scheme to me.
October 31, 2017 at 6:12 pm #51391c_howdyParticipanthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_Like_Me#Synopsis
After Aladdin releases the Genie from his lamp and the Genie explains that he can give Aladdin almost anything within a limit of three wishes, the Genie proves his nigh-omnipotent power to the skeptical thief with an impressive musical number, stressing that he is a friend unlike any other.
http://www.metrolyrics.com/friend-like-me-lyrics-disney.html
Master, I don’t think you quite realize what you got here!
So, why don’t you just ruminate,
Whilst I illuminate the possibilities!Well, Ali Baba had them forty thieves,
Scheherazade had a thousand tales.
But master you’re in luck, ’cause up your sleeves
You’ve got a brand of magic never failsYou’ve got some power in your corner now!
Some heavy ammunition in your camp!
You got some punch, pizzaz, yahoo and how…
See, all you gotta do is rub that lamp, and I’ll say:Chorus:
“Mr. Aladdin, sir, what will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, jot it down?”
You ain’t never had friend like me
Life is your restaurant and I’m your maitre’d
Come on whisper what it is you want;
You ain’t never had friend like me!Yes sir, we pride ourselves on service.
You’re the boss, the king, the shah.
Say what you wish; it’s yours, true dish.
How ’bout a little more baklava?Have some of column A try All of column B,
I’m in the mood to help you, dude.
You ain’t never had friend like meOh my. No no. My my my.
Can your friends do this?
Can your friends do that?
Can your friends pull this
Out their little hat?
Can your friends go poof?
Well looky here!
Can your friends go abracadabra, let her rip,
And then make the sucker disappear?So don’t just sit there slack-jawed, buggy-eyed,
I’m here to answer all your midnight prayers,
You’ve got me bona fide certified;
You’ve got a genie for charge d’affaires.I’ve got a powerful urge to help you out,
So what you wish, I really wanna know?
You’ve got a list that’s three miles long, no doubt,
Well all you’ve gotta do is rub like so, and oh -Mr. Aladdin, sir, have a wish or two or three.
I’m on the job you big nabob!
You ain’t never had a friend, never had a friend,
You ain’t never had a friend, never had a friend,
You ain’t never had a friend like me.
You ain’t never had a friend like meOctober 31, 2017 at 6:24 pm #51392rideforeverParticipantAt first I misread the lyrics, I thought it said :
What “I” illuminate the possibilities
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Yes.
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And what would you which for, my old friend ?
What will you ask the Genie for ?
A hug ? A friendly and warm blue embrace ? Someone to hold you forever, so that you can let go, so that you can finally let go ?
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Yes
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