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October 17, 2007 at 6:39 pm #24982NnonnthParticipant
>>Are there realy such a sharp distinctions betwean black and white magick? Whats the benefits going into black magick? How can a person much evolved in a white spiritual diciplin happens to change to black magick?<>Something tells me you wrote something earlier about that the power isn’t about good or bad. It’s the people making it. Or something like this.<>Actually what you have written in your blog and what Yudelove writes in his book “the tree…” is somehow connected.<>By the way sorry I haven’t red ewerything in detail in your blog about the conical shape for instance.<<
Cylindrical! 🙂 🙂 🙂 And don't worry, it is only if you are interested.
j
October 17, 2007 at 8:12 pm #24984Swedich DragonParticipantYes, I can hardly sleep. Something is missing. (Liked your answer anyway)
YOu say a person well evolved in white magick should propably not change to black magick.
Or even more less to poor magick, I belive, or using magick without skill as you said. In that sence Michaels explanation makes more sence to me, that he tried black magick and someting get wrong. But my feeling is that neither of the explanations is true. Some pice somewhere is missing and I don’t know what it is?
By the way where is the guy for the moment? What is his story. Or if he is ill who cares for him. Maybe the story isn’t for the public, beacase of some reason. Anyway it’s of interest for the cultivators in this system.
I don’t know but perhaps this story of Yudelove was your first contact with him. I have had another first descripion of this man. Neither of us have met him.
Information as I remeber it. Some details might be wrong:
when Mantak chia arived to the states he met Yudelove quite imiditely. Yudelove had already then in the early 80s greate knowledge of kabbalah, jewich kabbalah and hebrew and also christian or western kabbalah. Hi also had some experiences with taoist yoga since the earlie 70 ties, but only from books I guess. He was one of the first or the first non Chinese to take lessons from Chia. He was also chias lawyer. Yudelove did evolve quite quckly in the healing tao system. He also did have knowledge from the schamanistic tradition. Eventually he had reach a level , as far as I have read, paralell to Mantak Chia and in some instances was well ahead of Chia. Chia wondered how did you do this formula and Yudelove explained it to Chia. How could you do this Mantak Chia asked. -well I have some contacts with the immortal ones learning me new formulas.This is the person you telling me using magick without greate skill.
Imagining someone told you about this article about what seems to have happened in New york but exchange the name to for instant Mantak Chia or Michal winn or somebody else of greate knowledge in this system. A bit schocking maybe!
Then let somebody tell you well Chia or Winn wasn’t especially skilled in what he was doing. Of course people are judged after therire results. If results bad then people judge he was not skilled. If results good people judge he was wery skilled. Theire are as I can see no other way to tell skiller or not skilled. Is it the right way to judge a persons skill from the results? Not shore.
Then I ask you who is skilled?
If not skilled how can you lose your skill if you sometime have got it?
Of course anybody can get crazy in some sense. As far as I know about Yudelove his wife died before this story from New York. Don’t know about the time span exactly. Could be years or months.
Just a feeling something in some of this informations about Yudelove is completely wrong. Thats why I can’t leave the matter.
S Dragon
October 17, 2007 at 8:35 pm #24986Swedich DragonParticipantI’ve read thrue the earlier discussions about Yudelove and saw that somebody have told him to leave this discussion forum. Thats sad but ok his no longer here and perhaps we should leave the matter untill he can if he sometimes wich speak for himself again.
Thats my opinion for now.
Swedich Dragon.
October 18, 2007 at 2:32 am #24988IntelligenceParticipanti read through most of everyone’s replies…
i have always liked the Khabs model…
http://www.robertmasters.org/sekhmet/1.html
the Khabs is actually not listed here within the outer SAHU, KHU< HADIT< KA, and AUFU
i think i have posted on this before..
the reason i mention it is in relation to Emerald Cloister's Spin Points and tao kan and li
the khabs is the internal quintessence, but in the cloister context it would be a nucleus of energy spinning on the base of the thymus gland within the core of the chest..
so for all of you people who do kan and li, i guess the point is whether any of it is real, how it relates to shien as energy fields,
what the basis of any of it is and how a soul would be different form a spirit..
October 18, 2007 at 5:10 am #24990NnonnthParticipant… what really happened Dragon. I can only say what it looks like to me, just being as honest as I can. I also would like to know he is well.
>>If not skilled how can you lose your skill if you sometime have got it?<>Of course anybody can get crazy in some sense. As far as I know about Yudelove his wife died before this story from New York. Don’t know about the time span exactly.<<
Perhaps you have answered your own question here? If a person was grieving very much it would explain a great deal. j
October 18, 2007 at 5:12 am #24992NnonnthParticipant>>i have always liked the Khabs model… <>i guess the point is whether any of it is real<<
I don't understand mate. You like the model but have no experience of its truth? Then why do you like it?
The things I was giving are true from my own experience. j
October 18, 2007 at 6:09 am #24994Swedich DragonParticipantHello Jason
Thanks for a good discusion and the info about Yudelove. I hope Michael has something to ad to the ting already discussed here about what happened with Yudelove. And/Or the more general issues about dangers in energy work and why not a highly evolved person have defenses against this sort of hapenings.
S Dragon
October 18, 2007 at 6:10 am #24996Swedich DragonParticipantOctober 18, 2007 at 8:10 am #24998NnonnthParticipantOctober 18, 2007 at 8:30 am #25000NnonnthParticipant… it all corresponds to Leary as well if you notice. Most people say there are either seven or eight bodies or minds depending on how you count, not just him.
Many Buddhists say there are seven bodies or eight minds. Frantzis says eight bodies. Not sure what Michael says.
The ‘soul’ technically in magical parlance means those bodies which are not (*normally* ^_^) immortal – the lower 2, 3, or 4, depending on how you count. These are the mental astral and physical bodies of Bardon.
The 8 minds or ‘consciousnesses’ as Leary calls them are the same thing as the bodies – each body is a mind and each mind is a body. They have all been observed first-hand throughout the ages by many methods, many of which are now on public show for us to practice. Furthermore, the methods differ wildly but come to similar conclusions about what they find. Sounds like ‘science’ to me – the observation has been tested by many experimental methodologies and found to be consistent.
Christ knew all this of course. 🙂
j
October 18, 2007 at 12:48 pm #25002DogParticipantMichael is in Brazil Teaching Sexual Alchemy.
I find the Alchemical path is about healing. Creating Harmony. If you forget this, then that is reflected back to you. No matter how far you go the fecal matter will still hit the fan, just at a different level. If you have a strong foundation(your animal nature or matrix is harmonized) and you are grounded then your chances of success are higher but it is still a gamble.
October 18, 2007 at 1:01 pm #25004baguaParticipantHealing of what?
It seems to me some taoists understand it is the Yi, intellect, thinking mind that creates this polarity, quiet the intellect/mind, seek who is it that is suffering, when you find it please show it to me? If you cant find it and show it to me then it is a passing thing, truly know this and you are free from suffering and now in a space to live from a spontaneously.
regards,
baguaOctober 18, 2007 at 4:59 pm #25006DogParticipantI do not want to get personal but you may wish to look at your judgements. The only constant is change.
October 18, 2007 at 5:00 pm #25008DogParticipantA teenager was sitting next to is grand father, the teen was picking at a pimple on his face and he said to his grand father “I can not wait to get older so I do not have to deal with pimples” to which the grand father smiled and replied ” even at my age I get pimples.”
October 18, 2007 at 7:09 pm #25010baguaParticipantWhy do you assume Yudlove is a highly evolved person? Because one writes a book does not mean they have accomplished the things in it, his tao practices is from Healing Tao, from M. Chia and all those that conributed to its writing and presentation.
And I would be careful of people’s opinion of others, you direct experience is what matters most.
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