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May 4, 2009 at 1:32 pm #31396Michael WinnKeymaster
This is of course just the first chapter in a long story. As someone privileged to witness (or incite?) some of the other chapters, I hope that someday Wendy will just buckle down and write a book about it, that gives perspective and wisdom for others exploring multi-dimensionality.
love, peace,blessings,
MichaelMay 4, 2009 at 3:34 pm #31398StevenModeratorMay 4, 2009 at 4:42 pm #31400voiceParticipantThe first present that I gave Wendy was a pen, knowing that she had a book to write. 1.5 years later, it is building in bits and parts. And so the race is on! Who will get their book out first – Michael’s on Atlantean alchemy or Wendy’s on immortals and dragons?!
May 4, 2009 at 4:46 pm #31402voiceParticipanthmmmph, couldn’t get the tiny url picture to work. So, if you are interested, you can cut and paste this picture of the race between Wendy and Michael.
May 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm #31404wendyParticipantSteven, I feel a bit awkward to tell you the same as I did to Swedich Dragon, but
if you send me your name I take a walk in dream time for you on your problem.We are here to help each other and surely you and Swedich Dragon have showed great compassion with others.
wendyscheers add gmail dot com
May 4, 2009 at 6:56 pm #31406Swedich DragonParticipantHi Steven
If you read this:
I hope you find your ballance. It also feel a bit aqward that you did wrote about the anal issue and the intestines and then your problem started to get worsein that particular area.
I hope to that you find peace in your own healing.
S D
May 4, 2009 at 7:24 pm #31408shenchiParticipantSteven,
I hope you reconsider and decide to stay, I have found you to be one of the most open and helpful people on here. You always have something interesting to add, and honestly I thought the whole anal sex topic (besides the crazy homophobic wierdness rant) was very informative and I learned stuff that I don’t think I have ever heard talked about, and I mean that in a good way. It is important to have a place to discuss all aspects of practice. I am sorry that a few peoples close mindedness might have ruined that. Their comments were quite unfortunate; don’t let that stop you from contributing to this community. I hope you decide to stay.Peace & Tao
ShenchiMay 14, 2009 at 8:29 pm #31410Swedich DragonParticipantSD “Lao-tzu if he excisted, did tell something like “you have to treate your exercises as the most presious secret…”
“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””This is a misinterpretation designed to fit the “need” to be righteous by Dragon. He reads into the statement what he wants to see.
First of all he says if the Lao Tzu existed! Of course the Lao Tzu exists, and still today by the very fact that we read the words of the Lao Tzu. The Lao Tzu is a book, do you need one person before it can be verified in your mind? Thats just overlooking what Taoism is all about.
One author must be considered only? This is where the group’s ego supercedes the reality hanging off the end of your noses.Identity is not of importance when we consider Tao. Everything in Tao has its own nature. This is what Tao imparts and this is what the Lao Tzu says. For Dragon to imply that Lao Tzu pertained to exercises is Dragon’s righteousness being molded into the concepts he choses. Well and good, but please state that this is what YOU THINK it means and don’t shovel it off to someone as a given. That in itself is “close-mindedness”.
I can see where this group gets its insights from….distortions. From what I’ve read, the ones that consider themselves adherents to this “Healing” Tao, just take their own road towards gaining more empowerment for their lives. That is what this group purports…hedonism.
Most of the self-attestments I’ve read center around the wish for an empowerment in their lives, only because they themselves are “close-minded” about what they consider “sickness”. Everybody in here is afraid of their own impending death, and to see it take on nuerotic proportions in this forum is daunting. Acceptance is absent in their lives.
“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””Hi
I am aware of the fact that Chinese doesn’t always have been thinking that the person behind things is important. Thats no problem for me at all. The ideas and the meassage of for instance a book is the interesting thing.
I do not though see the taoist philosophy in the same way as the western philosophy as merely just thoughts about thoughts. The taoit philosophy is well intergrated into reality through it’s many different forms of practises and aplications.
As I see it the taoism could never have been evolved without the practises and the aplications. Taoist yoga and the other aplications plays an important and well integrated part in the philosophy. I think all of it’s applications is well integrated and a part of it’s development. It is not a philosophy of the mind reflecting on the mind. It is a philosophy of achiving ballance and harmony in yourslelf physically spiritually and emotionally and to achive ballance in the society as well.
I am intereted in how you personally apply taoism in your own life, do you practise taoism or does you just see it as a thinking process? As thinking about tbinking as in the western philosophy.
S D
May 16, 2009 at 6:56 am #31412c_howdyParticipantBorn in Stockholm in 1688, the son of a Lutheran bishop, Emmanuel Swedenborg had trained as an engineer with specialty in metals. As a student, he’d traveled to England in his early twenties to learn from such renowned scientists as Isaac Newton and astronomer Edmund Halley. By 1744 he was comfortably set as an administrator of mining ventures for the Swedish government.
That year, though, while travelling on business, Swedenborg experienced a life-altering vision. He was relaxing at the tavern of his London hotel when, he said, a mist formed before his eyes and then separated into a silvery mass of snakes. As the reptiles coiled around the floor, he caught the outline of a man cloaked by shadows in the corner of the room. The following night, when he returned to the tavern, the mist and the snakes again swathed the room. The figure stepped out the corner, Swedenborg said, and identified himself as the Lord God. The Swedish scientist left London with a new mission-to explain the real meaning of the Scriptures to the world. God would tell him what to write and give him the gift of far sight.
Swedenborg abandoned his scientific career. He became a wraith of a man with a thin, sharply lined face and sunken eyes. He lived on sugared coffee and cakes, which he believed aided a newly fragile digestion. He spent hours in trancelike state, dream-writing his books on heaven and hell, the spirit world that inhabited our planet and others. For the rest of his life, he spread his version of the gospel, invoking the spirits, which were hidden to all else, by demonstrating his newfound powers.
-DEBORAH BLUM, Ghost Hunters-The Hunt for Proof of Life after DeathThere are nothing new in various kinds of visionary experiences (maybe including also tactile sensations like burning, sharp pain etc.) from Biblical times through likes of Teresa of Avila and Joseph Smith Jr. (also many others) to somebody like Drunvalo Melchzedek telling about his interactions with angels in present time.
There are some experinences which one almost necessarily would come if one is making dedicated effort practicing yoga.
My impression writing still more books about these things don’t change much. What did for example Emmanuel Swedenborg got? What others came to see of it was that he died from a stroke.
There is property of strong egoism present in the practice of neidan, at least for the ordinary eyes and this has also popped up every now and then on this forum. But it’s only positive if one is really starting to make extraordinary progress.
The reason for this kind of experience happening only once is maybe because one is actually not making effort. When it becomes one’s everyday experience then one maybe has got that essential component of alchemy working with which Golden Elixir can be produced.
May 16, 2009 at 10:13 am #31414Swedich DragonParticipantHi
“”””””””””As I previously stated, make a personal note in your mind how these ideas you are stuck on, are slowly ebbing away in your psyche and the inevitable change of mind will occur. I should talk? Indeed, I feel like a Taoist but tomorrow who knows what I may be feeling, but I can tell you one thing. I won’t be feeling immortal.”””””””””””
I think you are right!
I have no such problems as you descibed. I like the practises and I like what I have gained so far. If I reach immortality or not in any way is not a big consern of mine. I keep on my practise and enjoy the results that arrives during the way. If you not believe in immortality that is your problem not mine at all! You can take out which part you like from the taoism and keep at the parts you like and I hope you gain from it.
S D
May 17, 2009 at 3:55 am #31416c_howdyParticipantHello Swedich Dragon!
You asked one year ago what kind of Daoist teachings there are available in Finland and I mentioned that this yiquan master Zhang Changwang visit once a year sometimes in the late spring or early summer. And he is again back.
Well, I don’t know how Daoist one should regard him, but anyway interesting.
Comrade H
May 17, 2009 at 6:25 am #31418Swedich DragonParticipantHello
Thanks.
For the moment I am working to much and can’t travel there. It is unfortunate that I not know finish, but still nearly all my realatives do,so if he comes back later I will have it translated.
It might possible for me in the future to travel to Helsinki and take courses, even though I not like to stay ower night.
SD
May 23, 2009 at 7:35 am #31420c_howdyParticipantI have not much experience of spirits and entities expect one, that I am associating with my health problem. If you are interested I can tell you the story am interested to see if it possibleto find solutions to the health problem from tha experience.
-Swedich Dragon, 2008-04-29“Why do you say that they are reconnoiterers, don Juan?”
“They come in search of potential awareness. They have consciousness and purpose, although it is incomprehensible to our minds, comparable perhaps to the consciousness and purpose of trees. The inner speed of trees and inorganic beings is incomprehensible to us because it is infinitely slower than ours.”
“What makes you say that, don Juan?”
“Both trees and inorganic beings last longer than we do. They are made to stay put. They are immobile, yet they make everything move around them.”
“Do you mean, don Juan, that inorganic beings are stationary like trees?”
“Certainly. What you see in dreaming as bright or dark sticks are their projections. What you hear as the voice of the dreaming emissary is equally their projection. And so are their scouts.”
For some unfathomable reason, I was overwhelmed by the these statements. I was suddenly filled with anxiety. I asked don Juan if trees also had projections like that.
“They do,” he said. “Their projections are, however, even less friendly to us than those of the inorganic beings. Dreamers never seek them, unless they are in a state of profound amenity with trees, which is very difficult to attain. We have no friends on this earth, you know.” He chuckled and added, “It’s no mystery why.”
“It may not be a mystery to you, don Juan, but it certainly is to me.”
“We are destructive. We have antagonized every living being on this earth. That’s why we have no friends.”
-CARLOS CASTANEDA, The Art of DreamingHello Swedich Dragon!
I sended that link about those courses in Finland to you because I have understood that you have tried to find cure to your health problem from qigong and some yoga exercises. That Beijing guy (Zhang Changwang) is very experienced what comes to using zhan zhuang (standing like a tree) for therapeutical purposes. So if you are still searching experiences with different teachers he is one whom one shouldn’t neglect.
I will send (Insha’Allah) message about it again in one year if we still are on this forum.
Have you by the way read ‘Anatomy of Hatha Yoga’ by H. David Coulter?
Toveri Hellurei
May 23, 2009 at 11:00 pm #31422Swedich DragonParticipantHi
Thank you for all that.
The book about anatomy and hatha yoga seems interesting to me, and perhaps it is good for me to repeat and deepen some anatomy as well. I’m also do some hatha yoga for the moment so if I can afford it I will buy it, but I have a rather difficult economical situation for the moment so it might have to wait.
I am interested in experimenting with new yoga and qigong for my health problem. For the moment though I go the white tigress course, even though in a slow tempo, and that practise together with my yoga group practise is enough for the moment. I do not have time to include more practises for the moment, but in a year or so the situaton might be much different!
S D
May 26, 2009 at 2:05 am #31424c_howdyParticipantHello
That hatha yoga book is actually quite expensive one. In Finland you have to pay 80 euros for the copy from ordinary bookshop and maybe 25 euros for pirate version from India.
But one can also get it easily from the library, at least in Finland.
I think many are in such a situation that there is too little time. It’s evident.
I only wanted from my small part say that there are some attractive practices like all these energy yogas which are so easily available (for example) through Healing Tao USA, but the question is what really works for oneself best.
It’s only my opinion, but I say it once. Maybe if you want really get help with your health situation, you should be more carefull with that internal alchemy part and take care to get strong and healthy body first. Also important would be to become impeccable with such everyday things like eating and drinking.
This hatha yoga book which I recommend is good because it’s completely down to earth and it’s written by person who has been professor in the university (gross anatomy). It doesn’t offer immediately anything else than practice that can give oneself well-being, health etc. and for sure not some empty talk about immortality (or immortals), dragons and whatever fairy tales stuff.
That P.I.G.
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