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Yeah, there is nothing wrong with including the arms for meditation purposes.
It’s part of the macrocosmic orbit, and it is good to include the whole body.
There are just no eight extra channels that go down the arms.Plenty of acupuncture routes go down the arms . . . lung, large intestine, pericardium, triple warmer, heart, and small intestine. That’s a lot. So the arms are not insignificant. Lots of channels go down ’em. But no eight extras. They all remain deep within the core of the body.
Okay but I was not referring to a Chia book. I was referring to page 205 of Twicken book on 8 extras, diagram 22.2 a). That shows arm channel.
I accept what you say about 8 extras versus macro.
RWell this is good to know and I accept your say-so on the distinction. So the count for 8 is front and back channels, the central thrusting channel as one (even though can treat as left right and centre), that is 3, add belt 4, plus the yang and yin wei, plus yang and yin qiao (on pages 204 and 205) total 8. I had a model of arm and leg channels adding to 5 plus belt. That can be macro orbit now.
RI didn’t believe you, so I checked.
Turns out that you are right that such a diagram is present.HOWEVER, I contacted David, and it is a misprint.
The publisher inserted this picture from another source, and was not removed before the final printing. And, as you know, many get this wrong, so they sourced the picture from an incorrect source.In short, this diagram is a mistake.
The diagrams I have in the preceding message are correct. Correct Diagrams
The rest of the material in David’s book should be correct (to my knowledge).
Qi,
StevenThat’s correct.
1=Governor Channel (Du)
2=Conception Channel (Ren)
3=Thrusting Channel (Chong)
4=Belt Channel (Dai)
5=Yin Bridge Channel (Yin Qiao)
6=Yang Bridge Channel (Yang Qiao)
7=Yin Regulator Channel (Yin Wei)
8=Yang Regulator Channel (Yang Wei)The left/right thrusting channels are not separate channels, but simply the part of the Bridge and Regulator channel system that pass through the chest. They are sort of treated as side channels next to the central thrusting channel in the Fusion 2 practice, because the legs don’t get added in until Fusion 3.
Macrocosmic Orbit = 8 Extra Channels + ARMS
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This actually brings back my original question.
So one can cover whole body energetically but the real role of very exact routes and locations might be questioned by somebody.
In Buddhist and Hindu system initially this is not very important and even later mostly central chakras are pinpointed.
HOWDY
sure you know it needs maturity of understanding, to acknowledge the continuum between beyond and body. Posted a link to http://www.bhagawan-nityananda.com/ where in relation to yoga he is saying hatha yoga is selfish, into power and the body too much, just concentrate in the head etc. Elsewhere yogis saying hey, you need hatha yoga body based work (chi kung similar) to live powerfully after awakening. Posted a link to guru saying if moving beyond imprints of parents need to draw in sun and moon energies, hatha yoga principles, hatha means sun/moon. Hatha equivalent here is chi kung. Personally doing more inner smile, fusion and orbit work at present hence interest in clarifying pathways and points, but allowing alchemy to occur and go into higher practice of kan li levels if it occurs. As suggested by MW and Steven the basics evolve into something more powerful but have to stay grounded. Atonement, transforming negatives, dealing with ones darkness and stupidity, mistakes, need strong earth alright, but also light. I agree energy work needs to be in context of the higher universal view but even great ascetic Nityananda is saying gently raise prana to top of head, in core channel, i.e. energy work.
ROne immutable tenet of Aghora is that death is to be personified and deified. Aghoris crave not for physical death but for destruction of all their limitations, “killing” themselves by internal or external processes. Aghoris do not fear death; once embarked upon a course of action the true Aghori either succeeds or or dies trying, for there is no middle ground and no retreat. Aghoris love to spend time in cemeteries and burning grounds (collectively called smashan in Hindi). An Aghori is never happier than when he is seated intoxicated in the smashan performing ritual near a funeral pyre, flames shooting up to lick the midnight blackness.
-ROBERT E. SVOBODA, Aghora-At the Left Hand of GodIn his volume entitled Ninpo-po: Sono Hiden to Jitsurei (Secrets and Examples of the Ninja Ways), no longer in print, Iga Ryu ninjutsu historian Heishichiro Okuse observes that Japan’s historical ninja are characterized by their thorough and scientific aproach to analysing and solving problems, and yet they are at the same time closely associated with highly occult and spiritual practices.
-STEPHEN K. HAYES, Warrior Ways of EnlightenmentMy little thought experiment here is simply to imagine a situation were one doesn’t have any models in the form of representation by some teacher or for example some book; so how one proceeds?
It could be very different things one could be after, but if it would be neidan, qigong and tai chi chuan; how one would quarantee one’s advancement?
HOWDY
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.
>>>My little thought experiment here is simply
>>>to imagine a situation were one doesn’t have
>>>any models in the form of representation
>>>by some teacher or for example some book;
>>>so how one proceeds?>>>It could be very different things one could
>>>be after, but if it would be neidan, qigong
>>>and tai chi chuan; how one would quarantee
>>>one’s advancement?It would not be unrealistic to assume that a person would do a lot of introspective meditation, trying to dig into the mystery within deeper. One has understand oneself better before trying anything more complicated. In doing sustained meditations and energies that may arise, one needs to strengthen the body. Some form of self-body work evolves, whether that is qigong, tai chi, or yoga. As it is perceived that energy begin to move via this body and meditation development, the idea of trying to manipulate this energy is again natural. Then various energetic experiments through body mechanics and meditation develops naturally. Those that are more successful are kept, and those not so successful are discarded.
It is likely that this is where the material that we have today developed, say by the Daoist alchemical hermit path.
In fact, I would advocate a similar approach today, with the exception that one may as well learn the Healing Tao tools, simply to provide signposts of how one might speed the process along, rather than a lot of time wasted in unproductive avenues.
But I’ve always said, “do the practice, and see what happens”. Discover your own truths rather than wasting too much time reading about what others say is “supposed to happen”. Progression should be practice-driven by the self as the primary spending of time, rather than the primary spending of time devoted to filling up the head with intellectual fairy tales which don’t actually create any real progress.
Are you spending your time practicing, or are you spending your time reading about the practices of others? The latter I don’t think accomplishes much. For the most part, it is just an excuse for avoidance. A combination of laziness and lack of courage. Doing *something* is far more important than spending years (or a lifetime) feeding the mind with all kinds of stories about what others have done.
If instead a person chooses not to, and simply wastes their time here reading about stories, in the end, you are still dead. Since death can come at any time, I wouldn’t waste too much time here doing too much reading about stories.
Qi,
Steven
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