May 4, 2016 at 10:38 am #46480
Hi there …
I have Just recently learned The Seven Step Star QiGong …
Does anyone practice this form? Please share your experiences …
Best Jox … 🙂May 4, 2016 at 5:25 pm #46481
I practice it everyday, and have for about 8 years. 🙂
It’s great for vitality and spiritual acceleration.
Where did you learn it from?
SMay 4, 2016 at 7:18 pm #46483
Colwyn Bay … 😉May 5, 2016 at 2:43 am #46485
Steven, do you chant Kwan Yin mantra or some other?May 5, 2016 at 10:12 am #46487
Probably you do wu ji gong set too. Am I right?
How this two forms complement each other … What is different from you experience?May 5, 2016 at 7:38 pm #46489
No I do not.
I assume you learned this from Barry Spendlove?
I’m not sure what Barry does. Does he do Kwan Yin chanting?
The original form taught by Jiang Nan was not taught with any toning whatsoever, despite maybe some reference to the fact that there may be some used privately in the lineage family. Others have added stuff on, by their own choice. Michael had added on a seven-tone toning scheme that he uses in his Adv. K&L coursework. I’m not sure what Barry (or whoever you learned it from) does.
Myself, I didn’t learn the form originally from Michael. I learned it from another China trip participant who went on the same China trip 2008 where Michael learned it, then I later made corrections based on a seminar taught by Jiang Nan in 2010 at Tao Garden. Since I didn’t see Michael’s version until 2012 and I had already been doing it a certain way for over 4 years, I’ve stuck with the original version with overall mechanics and absence-of-toning consistent with Jiang Nan’s presentation.
I would say, however, that most in the US do the seven-tone toning scheme used in other places, such as the Adv. K&L coursework of Michael’s, for the form. If you wanted to do toning, I’d suggest that, as it would make you consistent with Adv. K&L coursework of Michael’s.May 5, 2016 at 7:45 pm #46491
They are very different and unique, but both extremely powerful.
It would take an essay of discussion to compare and contrast.
But a few tidbits:
1. Primordial is most powerful in the morning; Big Dipper is most powerful at sunset
2. Energetically, Primordial is most powerful in opening the heart center, whereas Big Dipper is most powerful in affecting vitality.
3. Primordial goes CCW, spiraling into a deeper dimension of who you are and your soul purpose; whereas Big Dipper goes CW, so it has more the energy of manifestation, empowering your vitality by the Big Dipper.May 6, 2016 at 1:25 am #46493
I learned it from Barry … 🙂
If anyone here from EU, I recommend him for learning HT stuff highly …
Yes, there supposed to be a mantra chant which is used in the lineage family only. Probably to powerful for us. 😉
Yes, Barry teaches Kwan yin mantra and 7 directions toning chant. I am going to stick with them for now. Maybe I will try some other mantra latter …May 6, 2016 at 2:56 am #46495
>>>Yes, there supposed to be a mantra chant
>>>which is used in the lineage family only.
>>>Probably to powerful for us. 😉
Michael tells a story that Jiang Nan was willing to teach it, but only if Michael paid him $10000 for it. 😛 In any case, I think it is a pride thing, of not wanting to give away all the family secrets.
>>>Yes, Barry teaches Kwan yin mantra and 7 directions toning chant.
Yes, the 7 directions toning is the method that Michael uses.May 6, 2016 at 10:57 am #46497
Thank you for that, Steven … 🙂
I already have been with Wu Ji gong for awhile and it is magic experience, it goes really deep, especially after sitting sessions …
With 7 Star Big Dipper I have been just in the beginning … I somehow felt to learn it too … I let myself to be surprised or whatever … 🙂May 6, 2016 at 8:12 pm #46499
The Lotus Sutra describes Avalokiteśvara as a bodhisattva who can take the form of any type of male or female, adult or child, human or non-human being, in order to teach the Dharma to sentient beings. Folk traditions in China and other East Asian countries have added many distinctive characteristics and legends to Guanyin c.q. Avalokiteśvara. Avalokiteśvara was originally depicted as a male bodhisattva, and therefore wears chest-revealing clothing and may even sport a light moustache. Although this depiction still exists in the Far East, Guanyin is more often depicted as a woman in modern times. Additionally, some people believe that Guanyin is androgynous or perhaps without gender.
The Universal Door Of Guanshiyin Bodhisattva
(The Bodhisattva Who Contemplates The Sounds Of The World)
At that time, Inexhaustible Intention Bodhisattva rose from his seat, uncovered his right shoulder, placed his palms together, and facing the Buddha, said, World Honored One, for what reason is the Bodhisattva Guanshiyin called Guanshiyin?
The Buddha told Inexhaustible Intention Bodhisattva, Good man, if any of the limitless hundreds of thousands of myriads of kotis of living beings who are undergoing all kinds of sufferings hear of Guanshiyin Bodhisattva and recite his name single-mindedly, Guanshiyin Bodhisattva will immediately hear their voices and rescue them.
If a person who upholds the name of Guanshiyin Bodhisattva enters a great fire, the fire will not burn him, all because of this Bodhisattvas awesome spiritual power.
If a person being tossed about in the great sea calls out the Bodhisattvas name, he will find a shallow place.
If the hundreds of thousands of myriads of kotis of beings who seek gold, silver, lapis lazuli, mother-of-pearl, carnelian, coral, amber, pearls, and so forth, enter the great sea, an evil wind may toss their boats into the territory of the rakshasa ghosts. But if among them there is even one person who calls out the name of Guanshiyin Bodhisattva, they will all be saved from the difficulty of the rakshasas. For this reason, he is called Guanshiyin.
Further, if a person who is about to be harmed calls out the name of Guanshiyin Bodhisattva, the knives and staves of the attackers will break into pieces and he will be saved.
If yakshas and rakshasas enough to fill the three thousand great thousand world system come to torment a person, if they hear him call out the name of Guanshiyin Bodhisattva, all those evil ghosts will not even be able to stare at that person with their evil eyes, how much the less harm him.
If a person, whether guilty or not, who has been put in stocks or bound with chains calls out the name of Guanshiyin Bodhisattva, his fetters will break apart and he will immediately be freed.
If bandits enough to fill the three thousand great thousand world system infest a dangerous road on which a merchant chief in charge of costly jewels is leading a group of merchants, but among the merchants there is even a single person who says, Good men, do not be afraid! You should all single-mindedly recite the name of Guanshiyin Bodhisattva. This Bodhisattva bestows fearlessness upon living beings. If you recite his name, you shall surely be saved from these robbers . And if upon hearing that, the merchants all cry out together, Namo Guanshiyin Bodhisattva, then they will immediately be saved because they recited his name.
Inexhaustible Intention! The awesome spiritual power of the Bodhisattva, Mahasattva, Guanshiyin is as lofty and sublime as that!May 7, 2016 at 1:41 am #46501
Primordial is most powerful in the morning; Big Dipper is most powerful at sunset
In your experience, is there a most powerful time to do Deep Healing Qigong?May 7, 2016 at 4:32 pm #46503
>>>In your experience, is there a most powerful time to do Deep Healing Qigong?
Yes, there is.
The *second* most powerful time is during the dead of night, like 12am-3am.
However, the most powerful time is whatever-time-of-day-it-is when you actually do it.:)
One trap you can get into with this form is choosing to wait until the optimal time so you can amplify it. Then the day wears on, and by the time it gets to be 12am-3am, you are tired and just want to go to bed . . . and given that DHQ is a longer form, the resistance is strong to skip it, and go to bed. Then rinse, lather, repeat. Focusing on the special time with DHQ ends up being a resistance strategy to practicing the form at all.
It’s much better to just do it at normal times, whenever it is that you are in the mode to do practice, and not worry about the time. The power you get from the form at any given time, and the likely higher frequency of practice that you get because you are practicing without waiting to save it up, well exceeds the power boost from the dead of night time that I mentioned.
I consider the dead-of-night time to be mainly a curiosity, i.e. if you happen to be up, awake, and vibrant at that time, and you happen to be juiced to doing qigong, it would be a good form to pick. But outside of that, I wouldn’t make a conscious aim of waiting to practice DHQ then, because you’ll likely face sabotage, and you’d have been better off not thinking about the time at all.
StevenMay 8, 2016 at 3:53 am #46505
Thanks, Steven. Very interesting that the optimal period is midnight-3am. But I can assure you that this early hours slot holds not the slightest lure for me. I’d struggle to do Ocean Breathing at that time!May 10, 2016 at 11:48 am #46507
Sorry for my broken English.
I personally wouldn’t use any longer time mantras from language which I haven’t mastered to certain degree.
So called bija mantras are of course something else.
Anyway if one takes practices which are first of all in their nature religious, one should take care to develop right kind of attitude.
PS. Om Mani Padme Hum (Devanagari ॐ मणि पद्मे हूँ).
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