March 20, 2009 at 11:53 am #30915
I was wondering what is considered a good speed on which to move the Chi Pearl around the orbit? And also how many times around do you usually move the Pearl?
I know there is no one correct way but was just curious as to what some practice when doing this meditation?
I tend to move the Pearl around once but do so very slowly (about 20 min). Perhaps I should speed the movement up a little and try to get it moveing around at least 3 times?
Also I have sometimes visualized a tiny galaxy instead of a Pearl which gives me a different feeling. Also it’s easier for me to visualize it rotating as it moves.
Damon.March 20, 2009 at 12:23 pm #30916
I am new at this part of the practise. My pearl goes considerably much faster than yours it’s a turbo pearl! I move my pearl in one round in about 2 to 5 minutes. I often take it around between 3 to nine rounds without counting.
I guess that the speed is up to you. I have practised the ordinary microcosmic orbit for several years. The round goes from everything from a hundreds of a second to about 15 minutes. Normally it takes perhaps 2 minutes. Sometimes I like to realy stay at the different points and meditate into them, then it takes between 5 to 15 minutes I guess.
I can’t see any reason for not using a galaxy. It sounds greate to practise that way. I might invetigate it myself some day.
Peace in your way
S DMarch 20, 2009 at 12:34 pm #30918
Depends what mood I am in, and what responces I get. Slow I think is great at first but I also would play with letting go and relaxing your energy body open, pay attention to any hidden control issues/lack of trust in the practice. Doing it fast and letting it go and relaxing open your energy body can help build trust as you will still experince responces, cold, hot, steaming, tightness, openess, ect. It is all just playing or dancing if you like. I like to do about hour to half hour consiouse play then I let it go smile and listen. Certianly try diffrent colors, see what happens, If I find more resistance that day, I figured its been a good day. 🙂 Hope that helps. I also do the orbit around my mini me, but I am not sure if that is to advance for some.March 20, 2009 at 7:26 pm #30920
“If I find more resistance that day, I figured its been a good day.”
Thanks for posting that, Dog 🙂March 20, 2009 at 7:38 pm #30922
Personally, I tend more toward the FAST side 🙂
When I do the MO with the pearl, I’ll use
Michael’s Wudang orbit method, and usually
the beginning and end are more fast than the middle.
Here’s what I do:
Before I let it out of my dantian, I empower
my qi ball with Michael’s new ha-ho-hm addition, and
get the ball spinning in my dantian–end over end before
letting it out. Usually, it picks up quite a bit of
rotational speed and momentum in my dantian. In my
dantian, it usually completes one axial revolution in
the time it takes to say “one one thousand”. When I
release it from my dantian, it tends to travel at the
rate that it is already spinning. Thus it can travel
completely around one orbit in almost 20 seconds,
if I don’t interfere and just let it go on its own.
I usually do this for about 5-10 minutes, which is anywhere
from 15 to 30 orbits! Then I’ll add “friction” to the
track at various places–i.e. it’ll rotate just as fast, but
it won’t progress along my body as quickly–in spots where
I feel I need to grind in deeper. I’ll usually spend another
10 minutes or so doing that. After jarring some stuff
loose, I let it return to its normal speed for another 5-10 minutes,
i.e. 15 to 30 orbits and then let it return to my dantian. Then
I let it slow down normally, as if I unplugged it. Then I
finish with a short inner smile, or I just lie down and let
What speed you use is completely up to you.
I think it is good to play with different speeds to see how
they feel, but there is no wrong way to
StevenMarch 23, 2009 at 11:01 am #30924
Your sharing helps. it’s never really been a feeling of resistance as to why I haven’t ever varied it, it’s rather that I have always felt a need that I wanted to be as thorough as possible there by moving the Pearl/Galaxy slowly, but over the weekend I have started to play with it on different speeds letting it do move what it wants. There are a lot of variations that I will try now.
One was starting out faster and slowing it down after each rotation.
Damon.March 23, 2009 at 1:18 pm #30926
Can you explain? I don’t believe I remember this.March 23, 2009 at 8:30 pm #30928
This is something that Michael added to the Wudang orbit
practice starting in Fall 2007, so you may not have learned it.
In this addition, you do an activity before releasing the
qi ball from the dantian.
You breathe fire qi/love-joy/identity into the qi ball using ha;
then you breathe earth qi/inner will/body into the qi ball using ho;
then you breathe water qi/bliss/flow into the qi ball using hm.
The purpose of this empowerment phase before beginning
the orbit is to empower the qi ball with more of your
deep essence, giving the qi ball more substantiality.
When this new addition is incorporated in, the
qi ball “feels more solid”. Then when doing the actual
orbit practice, the qi ball seems to have a bit more
of the rotor-rooter effect in breaking up stuck patterns
on the orbit pathway . . . the orbit feels much more
powerful and potent, and the spinning pearl seems to be
able to penetrate deeper into the jing level.
This new practice is on the QF2 audio sets starting
with the 2007 release.
StevenMarch 23, 2009 at 10:43 pm #30930
Thanks for sharing that Steven. He was not yet teaching that when we first took the class.
I will try that method.
BTW – It looks like I maybe coming to the Fusion I & II classes with Marie Favorito this year.
Are you planning on coming this year? If so what classes are you planning on taking?
Damon.March 24, 2009 at 5:44 pm #30932
I think your choice of
Fusion I-II/Iron Shirt I with Marie
would be good choice.
Summer is really the only time
when a person can take an Iron Shirt course
(beyond the intro you get in QF4).
In other words, if you haven’t had Iron Shirt,
you should take it over the summer.
One thing you should know is, is that Marie’s
Fusion is different from Michael’s Fusion. This
isn’t necessarily bad, as you can get another
perspective–and if you buy Michael’s Fusion
materials (without going to his weekend workshops),
you can still get the best of both worlds.
As for me, I’ll actually be there the whole summer,
as I’ll be bookstore manager. So you’ll definitely see me. 🙂
StevenMarch 24, 2009 at 6:02 pm #30934
In regards to the differences between Micheal’s and Marie’s Fusion, I have heard that before. I also have Mantak Chia Fusion I book, which I hear is also different. But I really haven’t spent anytime with the practices as of yet so Ill be going in to Marie’s class with a blank slate and no expectations.
I do plan on getting Michael’s DVD too.
Have you taken any of the fusion yet?
Bookstore manager. That’s pretty cool as you get to see all of the waves of people and teachers come though.
It will be nice to see you again as well. 🙂
Damon.March 24, 2009 at 6:28 pm #30936
>>>Have you taken any of the fusion yet?
Yeah, from Michael, from Marie, and from David Twicken.
I like to repeat courses a number of times though,
so I’ll be taking more Fusion in the future. 🙂
SMarch 24, 2009 at 6:58 pm #30938
Steven, how would you describe the differences in the Fusion that different people teach?
ThanksMarch 25, 2009 at 2:26 am #30940
I’ll give you *a couple* general comparisons,
as I could write an essay doing all comparisons,
or getting into specifics.
I can offer the following personal (brief)
comparison of Fusion 1:
Marie’s version of Fusion 1:
follows the classical method of Fusion the
way M. Chia originally taught the practice;
emphasis on yang approach; specific detailed
complex instructions in Fusion meditations
to transmit original method accurately.
Michael’s version of Fusion 1:
modification of M. Chia’s original approach;
incorporation of Western psychology into
Fusion; emphasis on yin approach; less
emphasis on complex constructions; more
emphasis on shen and giving a space for
hearing their voices.
Personal view: Nice to get both approaches;
Nice to get the original transmission (Marie),
but also nice to get Michael’s modification.
In particular, Michael’s modification/yin approach
is very useful for getting in touch with your
emotions when you feel “emotionally dead”, when
you have trouble connecting to your emotions, or
when you have inner turmoil and can’t make sense
of the chatter.
I can offer the following personal (brief)
comparison of Fusion 3:
David’s version of Fusion 3:
very in-depth discussion of the specific
pathways in the Eight Extraordinary Vessels (EEV);
brings immense background of acupuncture
to the lessons; will learn meditations
and associated qigong oriented to those
Michael’s version of Fusion 3:
not as in-depth discussion of what the
actual EEV channels are, as you are too busy
learning other things; Will learn some
different meditations and associated qigong
for EEV; some of Michael’s meditations
also include the arm channels (not part of
classical EEV); recently he has added some
new Fusion meditations to the course he
downloaded from his discoveries in his
“Advanced Lesser Kan and Li” materials
Personal view: My feeling is that you
need both courses to get a bigger base
in Fusion 3 techniques. Each of the
two courses is fantastic, and each course
provides something unique and useful not
present in the other course.
Bottom line: Each instructor provides
a unique course and is good in its own right.
Provided you don’t mind learning double or triple
the amount of Fusion material, its always good
to take all different versions of Fusion that
are offered from these instructors. In my
case, I do so repeatedly. 🙂 Michael will
be seeing me again soon in his spring weekend
SMarch 25, 2009 at 11:56 am #30942
Thanks for the brief but insightful comparisons.
And thanks Ryan for asking that question.
Indeed diversity regarding all of these taoist teachings are important.
Gives you a more grand perspective of each formula.
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