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July 30, 2010 at 5:32 am #34843HelderParticipant
Hi,
I am new to this forum but it seems to me the perfect place to ask this question as I heard it mentioned by Michael Winn in his articles and books many times.
I am familiar with Taoist sexual practice and theory and it makes sense to me (i.e. semen retention to preserve sexual energy). However I have been finding that I often (although not always) find balance if I ejaculate once every one or two weeks. Especially now that I am single! It seems to bring me balance of too much yang energy accumulated. This is especially true if I don’t aim necessarily at ejaculation but try to hold on (as much as I can, whcih is not long!) feel the orgasmic energy for a while spreading in my body, and so as I ejaculate at the end the feeling is good, of a release and rebalance. Sometimes it isn’t though and I indeed feel depleted, but if I follow this guidelines (wait at least 2 weeks and stop occasionally to feel the pleasure) it seems to be balancing in a way.
Well, I know this is not the highest practice for mantaining yin-yang balance but I can’t seem to hold on ejaculation for more than 2 weeks without feeling “edgy”. How could I overcome this barrier? How to mantain yin-yang balance with increased sexual energy without ejaculating? Especially if you are single it seems to be tough no?
Thanks and happy to be here!
July 30, 2010 at 9:53 am #34844superpippo09Participanti think the key is drawing up yin-energy from the earth into ur body.my teacher told me that drawing up yin-energy from the earth is necessary when u do semenretention.so i put one exercise into my retentionpractice for drawing up that energy(rooting in horsestand).
this yinenergy from earth is very clean,clear and smooth and heals ur body and strenghtens the whole body and bones.its very worthfull,i dont want to miss it!it calms,relaxes and balances u even if u never ejaculate.
if i would not do this exercise and do retention for more than a weak i would become thinner,overheated,too much yang.btw,even if u draw up yin-energy ur emotions will become stronger and powerfull with semenretention coz the chi-pressure into ur body increases.take care about it.
ask a good teacher this questions and learn from him a exercise to draw up yin.ps:im not a teacher!what ive written was my own experience and what i believe.i recommend to ask a qualified healing love teacher!
good luck and good bye.superpippoJuly 30, 2010 at 10:51 am #34846superpippo09Participantif u dont know an exercise to draw up yin u can go barefoot,drink a lot of water,be in nature or relax.this will help to cool down the body and to strenghtens the yin so taht u r more balanced.
July 31, 2010 at 2:40 am #34848Swedich DragonParticipantHello Helder welcome to the forum!
I´m also single since a long time and are practising retention. It is quite similar for me, the 2 w3eeks time period, and the easiness to get unballanced if I go ower that time.
If you read taoistic text about semen retention, most of them recemend you to have such a frequency, 2 weeks or so, depending on your age. Only men ower 60 are recomended not to ejaculate at all. If you are older or weak you might have a much longer frequency than two weeks.
This is the most common advised from the litterature. Many people think that Mantak Chia is a bit extreme to talk about no or wery few ejaculations at all. But perhaps it is a matter of accomplishment. The further you go into the system the more you need to do semen retention for longer times, beacase the energies are assimilated and fused into the alchemical processes, (kan and li), which I not use myself.
I myself have tried to go up to 100 days and managed it three times. It makes my sexual anergy extremely powerful. And that is of course quite joyful and a wery nice experience. Often though I practise retention at much shorter intevalls. Often I do longer intervals during the winter and shorter during the summer. That is beacase in the winter time you loose much more energy everytime you ejaculate, in the spring you not loose much at all, beacase all the nature is in a mood of sexyness 🙂 in a way.
During periods I have tried semen retention up to 100 days, I will go into periods of differnces. The horneyness for instance might wary alot, during periods of time I got morning wood, erections, several times each night, and that might be quite anoying, but during periods of time the hornyness also vanisch completely, which sometimes did make me worried about what happened, but the horneyness always arrived again, and after such a period with tremendous streanght.
Unfortunately the last winter I didn´t do semen retention beacase I was quite emotional instable after being and breaking with a married woman. Instead I had periods of using porn with ejaculation. That did actually lower my erection level to levels lower than before I started this pratise. I have never had problems with this before and was quite angry with myself using my sexuality so badly. I´m back on track and some retention and no use of porn, at least wery litle, has streangthen my capasity again.
I suggest that you add some good practises to your semen retention, like the iron shirt methods for grounding as superpippo wrote. It might also be good to go out dancing if you like that or to use the extra energy you get to do some jogging or other wery demanding aeorobic sports. It is also recoemeded to do the six healing sounds and the inner smile and fusion if you know it, regularly during your semen retention practises. The cool draw also helps transform the Jing sexual energy. I have also added the testicle massage to my semen retention, and it feels wery good in the tan tien, so I think it also helps.
Important is to find our for yourself what feels good and ballancing for you. Perhpas you not even need to go further than two weeks, with your retention.
Mickael Winn: has an aproach where you actually not start retention before you know fusion quite well.
Steven on this forum is wery dedicated to this practises but never or wery seldom go to periods over two weeks.
Trunk: has a wery good internet page on alcemical taoism according to the universal tao system also: http://alchemicaltaoism.com/
He warns quite alot of missuses of the semen retention practises and dangers of it. You can look at healing love, dangers with semen retention. And there is alot of other perspectives on this matter.
The subject isn´t wery easy. There are alot of different ideas and perspectives out there. I think a good aproach is to experiment a litle for yourself, to see what suits you. To do some longer times retention to see what happens to you, with the adition of other universal tao practises, is recomended though. And to find out what is good for yourself. It is also good to read about what other people think about the subject to get more ideas and to have something to choose from.
Let the Jing, chi and shen be with you
SD
July 31, 2010 at 10:01 am #34850superpippo09Participantmany books tell that “the best is to not ejaculate or to ejaculate as few as possible”
(mom,tao of sexuality,taoist yoga and sexual energy).but it is also reccomended to FEEL and OBSERVE waht is the best amount of energy for you.
and this is how i handle it:
when im able to handle great amounts of chi,i want to never ejaculate or as few as possible.but atm i try to feel and observe what is right for me.i think 2 weeks retention is ok for me atm,coz i have inner trouble to release and i do a lot of sports.
if i would do longer retention i would increase the emotional trouble…thats not my goal.but if im ok i want to try to not ejaculate.
July 31, 2010 at 11:54 pm #34852Swedich DragonParticipantHello
There are many books in taoism and I am shore that many of them talks about the benefit of no ejaculation!
There are also many traditions and different branches in taoism and I am shore that they handle this topic differently.
I think though that the benefits from retention practise for longer periods of time, is depending on which level of practise you are at, talking about the universal tao system. At the highest levels there is from what I have heard a necesity to not ejaculate. But are the benefits realy higher than the dangers at lower levels? My guess is that you do enough retention if you ejaculate about twice a mounth, depending of your constitution of course.
What taoism speaks alot about is inner ballance. That inner ballance is realy hard to get if you do retention all the time without any ejaculations.
What is most important is to not go into any extremes regarding sex. That is to deny your sexuality or to owerindulgence in sex. I think there might be a danger for loosing Jing in the long run if you not handle the retention in the right way also.
Anyway I think people are differently.
I like your listening in method, to learn what is right for you personally.
What I have noticed from my own retention practises is that it is quite easy to increase your sexual energy and your sexual functionality and your satisfaction and interest in sex, but it is wery much harder to do this in a ballanced way. I guess this is the reson for that Michael changed the introduction to healing love and put it after fusion of the five elements. That is that he recemend you to wait with your retention practises and other sexual practises untill after you have some accomplishment in fusion and are able to handle your emotions in a more ballanced way. That aproach seems to be better than Mantak Chia who did start with sexual practises from the beginning.
I myself did start to follow this practises according to Mantak Chia, and nowdays also Eric Steven Yudelove. Not jet Michael Winn.
SD
August 2, 2010 at 2:12 am #34854user244075ParticipantI think left alone the energy’s tendency is to leak out or said another way the path of least resistance is down and out. But that is what the practices partly try to rectify.
Swed.. Dra.. made good points, one particulary about fusion which may be helpful to you. It is through Fusion that enables you to be/keep centered and not entangle emotions with your jing which will naturally amplify them. Regards.
August 2, 2010 at 6:51 am #34856HelderParticipantGreat guys, thanks for all the tips.
Swedish Dragon, that was some good advice. I agree, balance is key and we must listen to ourselves, keep being aware of what is happening, and strive for that balance. Like you say in this matters things are never simple and straightforward so one has to find out what works for oneself.
Feels good to read some different perspectives on it, not only the radical “no ejaculations, period”. It is indeed a complex issue, but I believe each one of us can learn to find what works best for them. And as you say also it may chnage from time to time and season for example.
The point about porn you make is very important also. I believe the way we approach sexuality will in large measure affect how it will be cultivated int he body. Feelings of true whiole body pleasure and love are much better than excessive abuse of the sexual impulse through porn for example. It is that balance that may be hard to get but – like everyhting else – is probably a matter of practice!
I will look into Fusion also but I am still on the fundamnetals so that may take a while. I feel that the fundamental is to cultivate balance throughout, no matter what level you are in. I believe that then thingds will start to fit in together, slowly, as we keep aware.
Again, thank you all for the input!
August 3, 2010 at 10:17 am #34858Swedich DragonParticipant -
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