May 10, 2006 at 5:12 pm #13862
I am very interested in learning more regarding this:
if you say that eating meat means ingesting “Karma” due to the KArma created at the moment of death… is this “intellectual knowledge”, knowledge you have learned from a teacher or can you actually see the “Karmic” energy /force ingested? (This question is no joke but meant very serious)…
further: you made the point that it is KArma created because the aminal senses & knows about its death in advance. What if one would put a kind of sleeping potion into the animals food and kill it during sleep… would there be less Karma then, because the conscious knowing would fall away?
How about the question of killing shortening the life span of the animal. Is this creating Karma on its own?
Couldn’t it be that the animal fearing death could be part of its previous Karma, & it due to the process of killing and being eaten repaying its debts of past lives? If that wer the case, eating animals would help them to pay off their KArma, which might be considered o.k.?
How about “killing” an animal, like a dog, if it has pain due to illness or an accident… from the human point of view it might be considered an “act of humanity”… but (getting back to an earlier question): by doing this one would take the animal the possibility to pay off Karma as one would be shortening the time to its actuals death…
sure the question needs to be transferred from there to human way of dying as well…
just a few questions I am seriously curious about
thankx much in advance for any insights
HarryMay 11, 2006 at 3:25 pm #13863
honest thankx, Max
have to “digest” it
HarryMay 12, 2006 at 3:35 am #13865
I heard a story that a cow used to come every day to sit with Ramana Maharshi.
One day the cow did not arrive at the usual time.
Ramana went with his disciples to look for her.
She had become stuck (I think in mud) and had been there all night.
She was dying (possibly from broken legs) and had tears in her eyes.
Ramana stayed by her side and said she died enlightened.
Animals were sensitive to his energies and behaved with total trust toward him.May 12, 2006 at 8:59 pm #13867
Plants and minerals are also evolving. It is inportant to respect anything you take into your body. Look at tobacco she is not respected and look what happens. This does not mean do not smoke todacco or other plants it just means have respect for there power. Honor there life, learn to work with there power. Today there is alot of disrespect towards cows and chickens so if you are going to eat meat use your vote and buy from smaller farms hopefully that are biodynamic, and organic.
p.s. Just becuase I say this, does not mean I am assuming you do not already know it. I am just sharing my perspective.May 13, 2006 at 5:14 am #13869
Now. Still. Couldn’T it be that the animals people grow up FOR being killed and eaten do not have anything in common with for example a wild bird one kills? Maybe there is no Karma involved at all int hat process… further I wonder if somebody like you Max, you had this special insight during practice, would grow a different amount of Karma by eating meat as somebody who is in so far ihonarant about it as he/she did not have that insight!?!
HarryMay 15, 2006 at 2:23 pm #13871
“There is karma for killing any sentient being. People make all kind of reasons to justify their actions like a war in Iraq, for example. It doesn’t take away the fact that they ruined thousands of people’s lives.”
How does this honor intent?May 17, 2006 at 9:53 am #13873
“There is karma for killing any sentient being.”
It sounds like you are using the word in a negitive way. So what is your definition of karma?May 18, 2006 at 1:02 pm #13875
Then how is it just a statement? What if you have emotions created about eating plants? What if ther was no emotions in the act? Is there a difference between a habitual emotion and one that is in the moment?
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