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>>I think this kind of technology is only possible when our society is ready to accomodate it.<<
I've been thinking about that and am not sure if it's true now…
Is it consciousness that changes technology or technology that causes change in cosciousness?
Throughout human history it is new technology that has created the huge societal paradigm shifts (think agriculture (bronze) – industrial revolution – information age etc)
I'm betting that tribes in olden times didn't have to change their consciousness to start farming – farming happpened and so they went for it. Same with the industrial revolution, people didn't have to slowly become accustomed to the idea that steam power can do a lot of the work for them – someone invented it and it just happened.
But now we all feel the friction of the world – the friction is creating this heat that's sparking off a change in consicousness – the whole "the secret" abundance type stuff coming out – all these old spiritual systems are coming out of the shadows – all these potential technologies for energy production springing up (and being witnessed via the net) all over the world.
Some people thought that this whole global warming and 'being green' business would create an opening for this new consciousness – but if you live in europe you know that this green issue has just become another huge industry making billions. (and it's all made up)
A free energy device would certainly challenge our hoarding impulse… and conversely a change in our hoarding behaviour would create the space for a free energy device to manifest.
So we're in a unique situation in our history (I bet everyone said that in the past lol) – what does everyone think? how is it gonna go?
I don’t think that a guy sophisticated enough to produce these effects would not have taken into account the energy required to power the machine and claim that this could be the energy of the future. Another scientist made the claim that an extrordinary amount of energy was required to start the process not him. In fact, I think that it was the vibratory frequency which broke the hydrogen bonds not the quantity of energy, which is a different thing. It is like the difference between using a key to open a door or a sledgehammer.
Energy from water, superior to fossil fuels is already a fact, just that the inventors were bought out,discredited, bullied or murdered by the oil cartels.Dylan
Thank you I was just about to take about the other important aspect of resonance and sympathetic frequencies. There still so much more to understand but it seems to get us cooking.
… if he DID fail to take into account net energy he wouldn’t be the first. There are alot of people doing it. However I do not understand the science – assuming anyone does! – so I guess it’s another wait and see.
When you say this:
>>Energy from water, superior to fossil fuels is already a fact, just that the inventors were bought out,discredited, bullied or murdered by the oil cartels.<<
… I had no idea things were this clear cut.
J
Hi FF,
“Is it consciousness that changes technology or technology that causes change in cosciousness? Throughout human history it is new technology that has created the huge societal paradigm shifts ”
It is “consciousness” which creates technology. (It does not create itself!) Then the presence of new technology assists the birth of new ways of being, whether healthy or not, and the expansion of thinking. But this all comes from within the divine mind to be manifested externally in this world through people.
Humanity’s core issues have not yet been transmuted enough to sustain a kind of consciousness within us that would cause the basic way we relate to each other to change for the better.
We have forgotten that we are a family, a tribe, a collection of spirits which are One Thing which has become split up, and that we are A PART OF nature the way a tree or a river is a part of nature. Until then, there will be the same old reactions to everything: “…this green issue has just become another huge industry making billions. (and it’s all made up)”. Of course. People simply cannot yet think differently.
When we have enough “consciousness” (you could call it yuan chi) together, there will be an automatic and spontaneous shift for the better because there will be nothing to hold it back anymore. What is holding it back now – the dam that will be busted – is the excessive resistance coming from the untransmuted parts of the human psyche which are holding on for dear life to the old out of fear.
So, for me, the only worthwhile endeavor is to work alchemically to neutralize my own fear and resistance and to build the original spirit within so that the outer field is affected positively for all. The separation between earth and heaven as it relates to the yin and yang within is where the action is.
The “Other Factor” that is always in play in the drama is the will of spirit. The lifeforce is always trying to bring in more balance and create that ultimate harmony we all are looking for, consciously or not, and this chaos factor, mystery, is a powerful ally. Nature bats last. I think it is very very important to remember that we are not in this alone (though we are in it altogether!). We are part of that Bigger Something and it is doing the work through us.
This change will come when and how it can…
Alchemically,
AlexanderI like Alexander’s rather inspiring reply, and agree with his basic take. Of course we must beware the whole idea of really separating the two – physical reality and consciousness – if we take tao philosophy seriously! But yes indeed inventors of just about anything are inspired to take ideas from areas in the universe which are ripe to be understood by them, which they are able to contact – and then the reaction to them in society begins. Both of those (the act of invention and the act of acceptance of it) would seem to confirm the idea that the realization of human beings and the levels of their technological (and artistic, societal, etc.) achievement do indeed correlate.
An interesting read on this might be the latter ‘grimoire’ section of Franz Bardon’s ‘Practice of Magical Evocation’. It is standard practice in this form of Hermetics apparently to evoke such spirits for the purposes of one’s education and for specific earthly tasks – but equally it can be said that they inspire people within their spheres of influence, without being deliberately contacted – that’s their job. Amongst them are quite a few whose remit has to do with technology; I’ll quote Bardon’s descriptions of them below for anyone interested.
Interestingly, Bardon’s third book details a method of contacting the energy of a spirit without the attached ‘personality’, indicating that all these spirits could also be looked at (and would be, presumably, by a pure alchemist) as whorls of energy with particular characteristics. The spirits’ functions, when not purely spiritual, might have to do with anything from clothes to poetry to farming, the ones I’m quoting below are examples of the ones having to do with technology.
Bruahi – 2 deg. Virgo – … is the Guardian of all inventions in the Akasha principle [neutral ether – J], in that these inventions do not prematurely become a reality. In accordance with prevailing demands, he inspires individuals to certain inventions amd allows these inventions to become a reality on the physical plane. On the other hand, this principal also prevents those of great talent and abilities from realizing inventions which are not supposed to be invented for the next hundred or even five hundred years… In a hundred, or at times even in a thousand years from now, mankind will marvel at these inventions.
Astolitu – 28 deg. Virgo – …. is a very special custodian of many magical keys and secrets. In our present period of development he conducts and directs the entire field of aviation in our world… Long before our present-day civilizations, several thousand years ago, our globe was inhabited by highly civilized nations who, in comparison to us, were far superior in the technology of aviation… When these civilizations became extinct, Astolitu… revoked these keys and… will safeguard them strictly until such time as humankind has reached the necessary maturity…
Agikus – 20 deg. Libra – Electro-chemistry has much that has not been discovered yet, but will be discovered in the course of time… This principal can unveil and entrust to the magician many secrets in this field…. Through his intuitive inspiration man has invented batteries, accumulators… [etc.]… Agikus allowed me to look clairvoyantly into the future where… I saw tiny amounts of chemical compounds transmuted into large electric discharges with tremendous voltage and amperage… Once humankind becomes more mature and more developed, some individuals will be inspired accordingly…
Best J
I’ve seen reports that several respected chemists are looking into this..
it doesn’t matter whether it is perpetual motion.. obviously currtent fuels aren’t
i certainly don’t know the definitive answer on this..
it takes step by step energy modelling with precise repeatedly tested results to verify this and i don’t see that anywhere…
does any one know the real deal with cold fusion back in the 80’s? i’ve heard there was a cover up and have never once seen the REAL math behind it..
for that matter, the history channel just showed a long show the other day dealing with the question of a faked lunar landing.. i am still not convinced of it..
one fairly definitive answer:
can you see the flag FROM earth?
Richarg Hoagland, nasa’s old front man to the media has been promoting videos for decades which are supposed to show ancient et bases on mars AND THE MOON..
check those out whoever
For those looking into new technology don’t might clicking
http://www.theaircar.com/
http://www.byronnewenergy.com
http://hytechapps.com/I remember on our national news some weeks ago, they announced the building of a factory in France, I think it was of the aircar, mentioned above in link.
http://www.savefile.com/files/916853
🙂
it is slow thoughI really believe from looking into this topic, that it is not a case of “we don’t have the technology and never will or we don’t have it yet but we will get there”
This technology has been available, at least in potentiate form, for over a hundred years. The Big GUns who were funding Tesla definitely did not like the idea of his dream of free energy for everyone (equals end of monopolising oligarchs) bearing fruit and so pulled the plug on him. If Tesla believed in it, then so do I, we wouldn’t even be able have this discussion or any other on the internet without him anyway, I wouldn’t even be able to see to type!
I really do think it is that clear cut, which is why endless discussion of the laws of thermodynamics, though enlightening, will not get us our free energy.
Dylan
-On the other hand, this principal also prevents those of great talent and abilities from realizing inventions which are not supposed to be invented for the next hundred or even five hundred years-
Sounds like this happened to Keely, Tesla, Schauberger and numerous others. I don’t see why such compassionate men should have had to be broken though.
I love your stuff on spirits, especially the one a while back on Iamblichus. I think he holds the key to the problem of the pessimistic hermetists/ Gnostics and the optimistic Hermetecists/ Magicians. Was/Is the DemiUrge the great enemy of mankind or its benefactor or what?
Interesting about the spirits appearing as whirls of energy to the pure vision. Couldn’t you could extend that to humans,animals, plants or anything else?
We all look like vortexes of energy because thats what we are! Even the Wu Chi/Void/Universe is basically a multdimensional vortex consisting of an infinite number of smaller vortexes.Dylan
>>Was/Is the DemiUrge the great enemy of mankind or its benefactor or what?<>Interesting about the spirits appearing as whirls of energy to the pure vision. Couldn’t you could extend that to humans,animals, plants or anything else?<<
I'm sure you could but actually this was a more technical issue that I was pointing to. For someone like Alexander he will say 'the life force does this or that', whereas in Hermetics people will give exhaustive systems of the spirits responsible for this or that on earth etc. They are not like beings which incarnate and seem to have a separate role in creation through evolving in time, as do plants and animals, they don't exist in time in the same way. But essentially they are like personalities because they have developed over huge periods of time, they are like the instruments of the life force in their particular areas.
At least, we as human beings can communicate and interpret them *as if* they had human personalities, is maybe a better way to say it!
However in kabbalistic terms one sees them also apparently just as energies. This isn't taoist in the terms of this site of course, although I'm sure there are taoists who work in this way. If all the individual currents of energy that make up the spirit (which need not of course be energies that would normally appear in a human being) are mastered inside oneself then apparently one does not need to 'contact the spirit' and his/her personality etc., one simply assumes the role and powers of that part of the life force, the 'true name' of the spirit being a way to understand it… more info in Bardon books 2 and 3. The real intent of what I said was to point out for those who don't like the 'working with spirits' angle that another way exists in Hermetics which is to do with isolating and contacting the energy as an energy rather than as a being per se.
j
>>Sounds like this happened to Keely, Tesla, Schauberger and numerous others. I don’t see why such compassionate men should have had to be broken though.<<
Well my first reaction is that infinite are the ways of tao/divine providence, so without knowing the whole karmic history of them as individuals and even the whole karmic history of our race (!) who the hell can say? It looks frustrating at first, and it must have been hell for them… but hell on earth does happen doesn't it?
And here we are talking about it, speculating on what has to be done to bring their work to fruition. They live on!
I really do think the world wasn't ready for some things, and I really believe (with Alexander) that getting one's head down and working on oneself is the way to go, and as he would say, 'holding the space open' for technological evolution and evolution of all kinds. From what Bardon is saying, it need not have been weakness and greed alone that had a hand in stifling the support for the inventors, it could simply have been that the time was not right, and as I say, it's not easy to see on the ground why that would have been… but then, given the warlike and extremely commercially greedy nature of the century, one could understand it perhaps.
Even if it was weakness and greed – or, say, in hermetic terminology, a judgement was made because of moral issues in 'heaven' if you like – I still don't like to judge harshly. I sits wrong with me somehow. If people are blind, yeah – but I've been plenty blind myself! When I remember my past lives I'll probably cringe… the real question as ever is just what to do right now.
j
I had a discussion about these things recently with a friend who is an engineer (water) and he told me that Tesla’s work way back then is considered to be 30 YEARS ahead of where we are right now.
What you say is true, Dylan, and we are working out some deep shit in the human personality because we sure could have chosen to have an easier last century- if we had wanted to.
When we are free in our hearts we will have free energy in our world.
Alexander
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