April 19, 2005 at 10:44 pm #4784
I have now received four complaints about your clogging the board with excessive posts. My job as moderator is to make sure that everyone feels they have the space to communicate. This is matter of respect, and you seem to have no boundary in this matter. You might examine ways to strengthen your earth element.
I have tolerated the volume of your postings because I wanted to see if you were sincere in making a contribution or had some other agenda. It seems to be a mixture of the two.
I am happy to have diverse opinions expressed and don’t object to criticism of me, although I have removed one posting today for use of offensive language.
I am going to request that you condense your postings and allow people to have more space. That means people are telling me that they don’t want you as the frivolous answerer on every question. Perhaps you could divide your abundant time with some of the other very good Tao discussion sites.
Please your good judgement going forward. Otherwise I will have to kindly assist you in the process of returning some of your superfluous words to Nothingness.
I am sure you have wisdom to share, and that there will be more attention and weight given to you if you share your gems less frequently.
Thanks for your cooperation. You are welcome to respond to this post.
MichaelApril 19, 2005 at 10:57 pm #4785
That kundalini must have really been moving.
Sounds Communist for a Tao site.
Since you curse on your tapes…???
Dont you now?
Just some friendly Debate.
Didnt you say you were the Grand Dude of Debate in H.S?April 20, 2005 at 1:28 am #4787
Good call Michael and fine taste in your choice of words on this.
Rainbows!April 20, 2005 at 5:43 am #4789
Dear Prince of Nothingness,
I suspected desire for debate with me was your hidden motive.
Why not be honest sooner and just say so?
I suppose your minor baitings were your invitation.
Seven Formulas are too many, too confusing?
Follow the Eight fold path instead?
Convince White Light that its wrong to prismatically reflect into a confusing, ugly rainbow of seven colors? Make this happen, and I will abandon the Seven Formulas and follow your path.
What’s behind that desire for debate?
Need for attention? Which shen isn’t satisfied by your practice?
Ask yourself, what is spiritual ego?
Is it the lure of Mega-Merits in Boddisattva Land, gained by converting the Taoist Devil himself? Freeing his army of baby Tao immortals slaving away for lifetimes in the lowest of Nan’s Buddha realms?
You’ve made dozens of postings, unimpeded.
How many signups did you get?
Time for Missionary to look elsewhere, to find those who need to follow?
Not allowed to talk about sex on Buddhist discussion boards? Ten demerits?
The real point about debate in HS:
You walked into the debate not knowing which side you would be assigned.
Thus winner over long term is team who can argue either side equally well. So debate is not about cultivating truth. Its about cultivating skill, focus, and flexibility in thinking.
Useful to Tao alchemical process, which cultivates both truth and practical power of discriminating between yin, yang, and still point of truth in many different realms, from sorting false yin and yang in medical conditions to sorting out and balancing competing voices driving one’s destiny/karma.
You are a sweet soul, Danny, and I support most of what you believe in:
simplicity, love, growing things from the core. I appreciate your sharing your insights on this, useful for folks who get caught up in too much technique.
So what is left to debate?
Religious belief in Nothingness?
I wouldn’t deprive you of your right to believe in that.
Efficacy of method.
What is core in the physical plane?
The experience of being in a body.
Managing that well in a way that reveals spiritual truth of harmony and balance.
Honoring the Above, the Below, the Within and the Without equally.
That is alchemy, which I know you also support, in a secretive kind of way that your Lineage won’t let you talk about unless you are one of the Select Initiates. That is Old School. It has its merits, but unfortunately has been left behind in the dust of external alchemy/modern technology.
What is the secret of external alchemy’s success? Sharing it. Applying it. Making it available to All.
So I am running a different alchemical experiment,
suitable for this time cycle.
You have a better method that you can talk about? Let’s hear it.
No need to debate. I am open to your insghts.
Enough attention paid to you?
And it only took one posting.
Blessings on your Endless journey to Nothingness,
please let me know when you arrive.
Just leave a mesaage on my answering machine:
who is the YOU that arrives?
MichaelApril 20, 2005 at 10:59 am #4791
The alchemical vision rules.
This realm is a place of learning and not of pleasing.
I see essence in his posts.
There is difference between training one’s children and training masters.
If a human wants to learn and feels unaccepted, may he state his case. This will show his heart. Than the existance of true heart or fake heart will be selfevident. Of N. and of other’s. It will also enable the clarification of N.’s intent. And further debate.
I don’t mind using control cycle. There are two ways in which other inner heart is controled.
Way one: you create tension in which the inner heart of other being births the selflimiting choice
Way two: you create tension in which you eject the selflimiting choice that the other inner heart swallows
Way three: projection of suggestion
The communication between beings happens with the touch of inner hearts.
One cannot stand it. Collapses and closes down. A selflimiting choice is created.
The being has met its master.
Michael Winn has full authority to make actions. Deleting. Ultimatum. Personal observation. Personal analysis.
On board and behind.
And full responsibility. Whom does he want to nurture.April 20, 2005 at 12:12 pm #4793
No hidden Agenda Michael.
I could really care less if you understood a thing that I said.
Really I was just curious about how anal you were towards the cursing,
when you down right curse frequently on your tapes?
As for Nothingness, I have no ties to it.
Actually what your failing to see it that Nothingness is not something
you attain but rather become Aware off.
But really, there is nothing to Justify!
I say what I say because it flows from the DAO!
To tell you the truth sometimes I dont want to say what she wants me to
As for this Fear based teaching you are eluding to,
I really have know Idea of what your eluding…
I think its pretty selfesh of you to think my main attempt at posting here
on this site was at to ultimately just get a debate with you.
How SELFESH and Self centered are you???
As for Initiation, question it with the DAO!
That is the way SHE wants it.
Which really makes me question any connection that you have with Her
To finish, Michael I hate to bust your bubble head, but you are not
the main reason I am posting here. So with that inflation.
Maybe you can really answer my question about the cursing.
Since you avoided it.
But hey, what else can someone do when they know they are full
of it or for that matter themselfs?April 20, 2005 at 12:17 pm #4795
You know I dont think I could have said it better!
Keep that Chi Flow going…April 20, 2005 at 1:00 pm #4797
Alot can be said…
The key is this, people are always trying to associate
something with another thing.
Because this is the way our BRAIN works!!
It is always trying to make sense out of everything so it
can feel comfortable in the present MOMENT…
See this is why Michael is having such trouble!
He really cant abandon his rational and jump into the
Because its a fully deprives him of his EGO.
Which he so preciously clings to for Identity!
In the Nothingness, all is abandoned.
The unique thing is that SOMETHING TRUE remains.
Something permenant and Immortal!
Forget your ASSOCIATION Michael with grand schemes of the
THE NOTHINGNESS. Channeling the Nothingness is NO easy TASK!
Your problem is trying to confine soemthing IFINITE within something
Keep trying though…
Its very interesting to watch!
Quite the Entertainment???April 20, 2005 at 2:56 pm #4799
WHEN WE GET DRUNK WE COMMIT NO SINS AND NO DUALITY FOR OUR MIND IS OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE
SO NOTHINGNESS AND MICHAEL LETS ALL GET DRUNK AND GO TO SAHA TO BE WITH BUDDA ( lol )April 20, 2005 at 3:18 pm #4801
MR winn only curses on his tapes to explain alignment with the tao. he was simply discussig how the taoist view is much different than the view of smoe buddhist. the view that they say you have no self. but if you have no self, then why do you bleed when cut, why do you stick your cock up ah womans ass when you need to get horny, and why do you sit on a toilet when you got explosive diarreah? oh by the way, that’s the shit that burns!!!!
oh and how could you come on here saying that you could care less about what Mr winn says? if michael’s full of shit why do you ask him questions? what would that make you? not that i wanna get involved in this
and by the way nothingness is something you can attain and become aware of . the way you do is by not trying to attain it and not being aware of it. in the end you exist yet don’t exist. if the tao can’t be attained, then why are we aligning with it? us aligning with it implies that we have not yet attained its way perfectly.
Now this is what i really don’t get with you. YOU CLAIM THE TAO TALKS TO YOU AND TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO, BUT I DON’T THINK THAT’S THE CASE, I THINK YOU’RE BEING INFLUENCED BY DEMONS. the reason i say that is because the tao is perfect and makes no mistakes which would include you calling michael selfish. ARE YOU FORGETTING THAT THE TAO LABELS NOTHING and that calling someone selfish is labeling something and a duality which runs counter to the truth( dao )
and what’s this about fear based teachings?
dude if you’re smoking budda you might as well give me some since michaels teachings are fear based, cuz if they are maybe you should tell the world where he tries to bring fear into someone. (what do you think this is ? the christian bible?)
don’t take this personally, since it was not my intention, i have no intentions, well you understandApril 20, 2005 at 7:44 pm #4803
Hurling personal insults, and avoiding answering any questions. seems like you are hiding something.
Judgement of others reflecting personal self-judgments?April 20, 2005 at 7:58 pm #4805
You know, I thought FacelessMage and Nothingness were Plato and Plato, or friends of his, but lately I’m thinking that’s an insult to Plato, since they don’t seem to bear any similarity except in their adolescence (and at least Plato could come to a point).
Whatever else is going on with these two, they’re obviously engaged in trying to clog up the board and annoy Michael and the rest of us.
I’ve noticed next to nothing of any merit in any of their posts. What I have noticed is anger, disdain for the board, disdain for Michael, and heaps of insincerity (not to mention horrible grammar, bad syntax and personal delusions of grandeur).
I see no reason to allow this sort of thing on a board that was, I think, set up for people interested in the healing dao teachings to discuss ideas, practices and issues of interest to them.
Just my two cents.
Oh, by the way, Im off to a much needed vacation and probably wont be checking in for a week or so. So if FacelessMage or Nothingness (or anyone else) want to take any potshots at me and win any arguments by default, knock yourselves out.April 20, 2005 at 8:20 pm #4807
I think your associating me with something else???
Really I am beyond justifying things.
So I will just say this, take that stuff you wrote up there and
Its all WRONG!!!
I just dont have the mentality to put my time into proving to you
the absurdity of what you wrote.April 20, 2005 at 8:21 pm #4809
Found that Answer yet???April 20, 2005 at 8:23 pm #4811
You just wouldnt understand.
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