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I think Plato ought to be banned from the site.
Endless personal attacks in every direction, with no end in site..
on the contrary, on attempts to bring’m back to center, he only amps it up.The fact is that a certain small percentage of people take the freedom of the web and express causticly ad nauseum, and delight in it – won’t ever stop.
If we are to have a discussion website with some semblence of clean vibe, there has to be a moderator. There has to be limits.
I’d really like a clean site, where I can discuss amongst sincere aspirants. .. Where its clean enough that we don’t scare off most of the really attentive cultivators (and all the women) who drop by.
Is that really the Alchemical Taoism thing to do? What if Plato was one of your “Shen” and instead of listening and integrating him into the collective pearl you just tell him to get lost? From M Winn’s approach, havent you just spoiled the Elixer and the hope of Immortal life?
There may be larger forces at work here Kieth. I think we should all sit back, relax and listen to this Debate. I have supplied Winn with everything he needs to understand the Bodri perspective and plato, by his own admission, knows Winn alchemy.
I say we all just chill and try not too uptight. Learn and try to have some fun.
Is anything Plato has done really so bad? Think about it.
From my point of view, Plato is a welcome addition here. I think he should be reminded not to try not to make personal attacks and keep the site to an R rating.
The tao is good, bad and the ugly. Sometimes its hard to tell one from the other, and by the time you think you’ve figured it out the damn thing has changed places.
You know, from Plato’s point of view Michael Winn took him on a trip and led him to a dangerous place where he was raped. I flippantly made a joke about it, but the truth is if anything like that happened to any of us, we’d be .. pretty angry.
I hope Plato realizes this is NOT being brought up because he has criticized Winn or has ideas opposed to HT. He’s being brought to task for being obnoxious to others. Certainly a charge that could be leveled against me sometimes. (see my Buddha is fat bald long eared moron post)
To his credit, I think Chia has stated from day one that he was anti guru an innovator and wanted students to think and choose and evaluate for themselves. I know that Michael Winn has carried on this tradition.
Winn is neither Guru or God. I think he is a fabulous teacher and resource we are extremely lucky to have. He’s also a tough nut, he can defend himself or not.
Peace
Michael
I like the community we’ve set up here. I wish we had more people, especially well practiced people here talking. I wish Raven were back, I wish RJ was back, I wish I had a pretty pony to ride on 🙂
It’s good to have a good kick in the arse now and then… Within reason.
I like the community’s everybody-is-welcome openness too (which seems to be implicit incidentally in Michael Winn’s sort of mission statement of the american tao–I don’t remember where that is on the site; that statment is a big part of why I’m attracted to this whole endeavour), but it has been too rough and tumble by times, too often. A gentler standard tone would be better I think. Not everybody finds sparring enjoyable, and quite a few find it shocking and frightening.
Maybe a warning system: Blatant insulting derision of others unwelcome; no smoking; no pissing in the pool; speak your mind honestly without spitting in my face; two warnings, you’re out. When you warn someone, it becomes their choice as much as yours, which is fair.
I do agree that some sort of standards should be in place though, so that people have a basic sense of a protected environment of exchange.
We could have a special gloves-off sparring section of the forum… : )
Simon
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