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What I read is your reaction to the hip-ification of new age ideas such as affirmation and we are all perfect right now. Oprah and Yoga Journal and endless talk with little fruit.
Some of your concern is for an image out of our control. No one involved in a spiritual practice is in it to feel good. The peaceful reflection on the pond that attracts us dissolves really quickly when resistance to change shows up as the boulder right underneath. SPlat!
On the other hand this taoist approach uses fire and water and isn’t easy to put into a box. Sometimes its crystals and sometimes its swords.
I don’t speak these things to my brother. Not To some friends. Not even to my partner. Responses occurring due to practicing are witnessed and taken in best by others practicing. Out of context it could be made into anything and be a burnable offense.
I had an old school spiritualist tell me any practice that doesn’t increase our capacity to love isn’t worth being part of. If you have ever loved deeply you know it isn’t a feel good placebo. Hearts have to break to get bigger.
And under any practice that is big with affirmation and feel good stuff is a hardness. Law of nature.When not acknowledged new agers are just as divisive as any fundamentalist.
But I do agree public perception cannot be ignored and how we communicate to others who see us as flaky or out of touch with reality is a game that could be fun. A lot of american teachers from the Secret are making a huge impression in the american psyche and pocketbook with their languaging bridging science, meditation and old time community.
WHew, I said more that I thought. Thanks for the honesty and write more about it if you want.. barry
what a tangent, and a conundrum
people are weird all over the place though..
“I don’t speak these things to my brother. Not To some friends. Not even to my partner. Responses occurring due to practicing are witnessed and taken in best by others practicing. Out of context it could be made into anything and be a burnable offense.”
Sheesh.. I do all the time… but recently i have found myself more an dmore in a pickle with it..
I got into this stuff as an extension of psychedelics and Exo-Psychology.. so for me if it helps you relax, takes you into enoyable states of consiousness, or returns answers to life, mind and development then it;s the greatest thing on earth!
to that end i am still as fascinated and enjying things as ever..
but then you see people bogging down in memories, or things turn into religious motifs, and it gets weird..
i personally cannot take the chirstians anymore.. they have proven to be the most obstinate of the whole bunch when it comes to yoga and altered states of consiousness..
oh well.. any thoughts?
I prefer the exopsychological point of view and think everyone everywhere should be talking about it all the time
Iintelligence,
its people like you and others on this forum who are ahead of the general masses – but that is how the pathways tothe future are laid down. When I started withyoga in New York in the 70’s it was totally underground. now even Christians allow it routines in their church centers….I appreciate your becoming so much more interactive. i think you have tremendous sensitivity and much to offer. The challenge is always finding a context that others can understand, i.e. use their language to reach them. So when you talk to Christians, you need to rephrase things into their trinity of father-son-holy spirit instead of jing-chi-shen, etc.
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Trunk,
It’s totally true – the oceans of suffering from past generations are vast. I’ve mostly tapped into this through my wife, who seems particularly sensitive to ancestral issues and opens easily into that ocean of collective pain. It seems like she is drowning in it, but then somehow always learns to swim back into light and joy. A tough path, but it makes you strong.But eventually, with steady practice, I’ve seen that that ocean , while overwhelmingly large to an individual, is still tiny and ephemeral in the vaster flow of the Life Force. Yes, it is grist for awakening – but let’s not focus on the suffering, but on the joy of transforming it and moving it from its stuck place. Each generation has its job , its duty to previous generations, but ultimately all owe allegiance only to our own truth. And that place is not controlled by suffering or any other polarity.
michael
was trying to say that conversation usually ends up in a dead end of:
either one you are some sort of animal whose brain does not work properly or
you (said chrsitian) is total bs and just lying lying and lying
I cannot be the onlly one who goes through this, and it is a total obstacle to chi kung exercies and testing
(islam obviously holds many of the same perceptions..)
I have two relatives:
1 says “jesus is god, jesus was there in the beginning creating everything
2 says “it’s all a big metaphor, it’s about what you do here in life and the way you live and choices you make, I like jesus”
now which one is sane?
and which one ate lsd?
I get so frustrated with the first one I want to throw him in a headlock and tell him it’s blasphemy
how any one couldn’t blows my mind…
You may want to look at the under lying reason one uses a certain belief. Reasoning can only go so far with out going to the emotional level. The mind will follow the heart. If you practice more acceptance you may hear the truth throw the words. Then you can point to the truth. Like listening to someones shen bark at you because the person is not listening. Hope that helps.
I mean, what a wall
all someone has to do is say that “son of god”, resurrection, etc are a metaphor of questionable factuality
this is like santa clause… how many people in churches across the planet who deal with the testament of jesus and holy book of the jews really think that jesus can beam around, rose from the grave,
or that moses really parted the sea etc
the moses part maybe,
but only way to heaven, only son of god, what is this stuff?
a message of love and unity, of hope and faith that a creator loves us, but really, beyond that?
HONESTY
truth to self
I have never had ANY experience that ocnvinces me that Jesus as son of god was anything more than a metaphor from a gnostic qumranian nasorean perspective of being a child of spirit and love..
sure, do that,
but what about honesty pertaining to the resurrection and “only begottenness”
all I want to do is say hey, hindu buddhist, confucian, sufi, many others chose love as the law
and so did jesus, supposedly, in new testament, one law is love
so do it, but if buddhists say some avatars created the world out of a lotus blossom, of course not, it’s like santa clause..
lets get to truth and honesty
do you know where the world came from or how many gods there may be?
how about love and forgiveness in action?
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