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This hell issue is a mess…
driving along today the thought occurred:
What is up with all these “Chrisitian” people and Hell?
ok–> IF YOU HAVE THE KING JAMES BIBLE, AND JESUS IS THE PROPHET, AND JESUS SAYS HE’S THE SON OF GOD, AND YOU THINK HE’S THE ONLY SON OF GOD EVER AND JESUS TELLS YOU TO LOVE EVERYONE AND FORGIVE EVERYONE AND THAT THROUGH HIM YOU WILL FIND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
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the there’s this part saying that he knew he would die for his message and that he forgave us even in death, and that therefore we are loved by GOD..
then what is the deal?
I mean sure, it’s hard to believe that one human man WAS God, it’s hard to believe in a virgin birth etc..
but supposing you have some faith in the book and the message,
then what is the problem?
you live your life in love, you have faith that jesus was the son of gog (metaphorical, literal, whatever)
and then what? you lead a good life..
THE PROBLEM IS THIS ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN STUFF..
If you are in INdia today and never knew english or saw the bible and die unexpectedly.. what then? perhaps you are a small child who can’t even read?
IS IT JUST ME< OR DO A LOT OF THESE CHRISTIANS KEEP SAYING THAT UNLESS YOU VERBALLY SAY THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY SON OF GOD THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HELL AND THAT EVEN IF YOU ARE TOTALLY EVIL AND SAY THOSE WORDS YOU"LL GO TO HEAVEN? or did I just pull that out of thin air? I'd swear they've said that.. IS IT JUST ME OR DID THESE CHRISTIANS SAY THAT IF YOU LIVE IN INDIA AND FOLLOW BRAHMAN TEACHINGS AND HIGHLY DOUBT THAT JESUS WAS THE ONLY SON OF GOD EVER THEN YOU ARE GOING TO HELL REGARDLESS OF HOW LOVING AND WONDERFUL YOU ARE? Because if so I have to ask, WHY WOULD GOD POSSIBLY CARE WHETHER YOU VERBALLY DECLARE JESUS AS THE ONLY SON OF GOD IF YOU ARE A LOVING WONDERFUL PERSON?
Maybe I’m the only one that encountered that.. maybe I just think someone said that..
boy I sure hope that’s the case..
People have told me that contemporary Jewish people say that the Jewish faith has no true hell.. but then again they’ve never told what contemporary jews think about the afterlife..
The whole thing reeks of Tibetan Buddhit material I read via Tim Leary and Ram Dass etc..
they say that during the soul’s travel through the bardo or afterlife that there are different levels of reality and that you don’t want to become mesmerized by visions of animals copulating or evil demons becuase these are detrimental to the higher planes and will affect your re-entry from the white light of the void back into physical reality where you reincarnate..
of course thay took this as a metaphor for a psychedelic re-imprint of the nervous system comiong down from a trip…
some even siggested that this was the REAL message.. to die while you were alive via initiation and experience the whole round trip..
These TAOIST teaching appear to be sayin something even more comfortable than that.. that there is NO HELL… but that your true self core of you being thAT IS REINCARNATING WANTS TO LOVE EVERYONE AND WANTS HARMONY..
This implies that anything that is not this love and harmony is a travesty to one’s own Soul and that we should connect with other humans at this soul level
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And what then?
If EVIL LIVE then Christ salvages the pentacle of light from the averse forces of the antichrist..
the Soul is harvested from matter via Love..
if this correct?
or simply wishful thinking for the naive..
Natural selection would say otherwise..
Some would resort to the contrapose between higher evolution “Early Heaven” and lower evolution “Earth”..
Hmm..
once again, the Buddhists once posed that during the bardo transition of the afterlife one should meditate upo0n an avatar of compassion like Christ BUddha Krishna in order to remain in the purer plains and re-enter life in a better state..
contrasted to loss in animal copulation resulting in reincarnation as beast
pondering reality as it may truly be..
not what me may wish it..
a billion years of evolution suggest..
that a billion men died on blood soaked earth..
The message of the Ray of Will is that Love is nucleus and primary power is destruction..
war cleaves and annihiliates forms when their time is through
This whole afterlife issue is one thing to think about, another to feel as true..
but so are many things..
right now, at this moment, as far as we know, if you point any direction around you endless space and star systems are PHYSICALLY beneath/above/ etc
you are, right now, on earth, suspended within deep space, poised on some invisible cusp of a vacuum..
who DOES know where they came form or what they are?
hell as etaphor makes sense RIGHT here in life..
misery+suffering = hell
love plus spirit = bliss/unity/feeling of souleasy enough..
buddhist ideas of passage through the afterlige being fraught with either sounds OK..
but the best answer I have is that, at the peak of an LSD-25 trip I saw into my own future and experienced “reality” as a pulsing netowrk of geometric hieroglyphic codes and third eye language systems..
life on earth appeared to be an ancient biochemical experient where quantum trails of memory and information stream through past and future
that appeared to be real and I found, 2 years later JJ Hurtak’s book the Keys of Enoch which describes it to a T
HOWEVER his story in the book of his voyage in physical body off the planet, the father at the core of the universe manifesting out of a hyperdimensional computer program, and the “only begotten” nature of Jesus are a bit much..
This whole afterlife issue is one thing to think about, another to feel as true..
but so are many things..
right now, at this moment, as far as we know, if you point any direction around you endless space and star systems are PHYSICALLY beneath/above/ etc
you are, right now, on earth, suspended within deep space, poised on some invisible cusp of a vacuum..
who DOES know where they came form or what they are?
hell as etaphor makes sense RIGHT here in life..
misery+suffering = hell
love plus spirit = bliss/unity/feeling of souleasy enough..
buddhist ideas of passage through the afterlige being fraught with either sounds OK..
but the best answer I have is that, at the peak of an LSD-25 trip I saw into my own future and experienced “reality” as a pulsing netowrk of geometric hieroglyphic codes and third eye language systems..
life on earth appeared to be an ancient biochemical experient where quantum trails of memory and information stream through past and future
that appeared to be real and I found, 2 years later JJ Hurtak’s book the Keys of Enoch which describes it to a T
HOWEVER his story in the book of his voyage in physical body off the planet, the father at the core of the universe manifesting out of a hyperdimensional computer program, and the “only begotten” nature of Jesus are a bit much..
I have never seen such disinformation and urban myth as that around psychedelics..
read books by people who did them and study what happened in the TRUE medical community
Timothy Leary was involved with two HIGHLY usccessful projects:
1) the Good Friday Experiment where Catholic priests had the most powerful religious experiences of their lves on Psilocybin from magic mushrooms
2) prison rehabilitation programs run by the Feds using LSDJean Houston and Bob Masters, world renowned psychologists wrote extensively on LEGAL psychotherapy that was done using LSD and chart all the waters..
MAPS maps.org has extensive docs on all of it..
including the way LSD can activate proteins related to neural flaxibility and increased intelligence
while reactivaing dormant zones of the brian through serotonin mimicry
Stanislov Grof also..
be PREPARED psychedlic waters AMPLIFY the unconsious processes..
this is evidenced over and over in books on LSD used for therapy
MDMA is currently being used for stress disorder treatment after it’s initial run some 25 years ago for marriage therapy
DO NOT LISTEN TO WORD OF MOUTH
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