March 2, 2016 at 1:38 am #46158
I’ve been into meditation since 2002 and spiritual practises since 1996. The past year I started to sense a “new” energy that i’ve been unaware of before. It’s not yin, yang, shen or actually “located” in the body (front or back channel). It is more like it is the energy that makes all of that possible (think of an engine made of energy).
When I meditate in emptiness I can feel this as the “energy” that is “keeping everything going”. There is an immense energy required beyond emptiness that keeps my consciousness (no matter the state) and energy system going, like a silent engine. I experience this energy as incredibly powerful and a small speck of it could easily disintegrate me.
What would this particular energy be called in taoist terminology?March 2, 2016 at 2:14 am #46159
It sounds to me like you are developing some awareness of prenatal qi.
Prenatal qi is the qi of the formless dimension that when it crosses into our manifest reality, feeds it, gives it energy, and in fact drives creation. I.E. This is what most folks experience as the lifeforce, if they can access the interface between the postnatal and prenatal realms. Comparable to the postnatal qi of an individual human, it is half a billion times more potent. For obvious reasons, we normally only take in a fraction of a drop at a time and for the most part, unconsciously.
SMarch 2, 2016 at 9:01 am #46161
When you get in touch with this energy:
Does it feel like time disappears, like future and past don’t matter anymore? And like all your previous problems vanished? And you just are? Beyond enjoying and having a good time, but deeper, more true state of being?March 3, 2016 at 8:18 am #46163
Well anyway I used have that kind of experiences regularly, I am wondering whether that is accessing the prenatal energy or what else might mean in Dao terminology/cosmology.March 6, 2016 at 3:26 pm #46165
NoIt’s just like it is incredibly powerful and also everywhere around me in nature. But I still have to become more aware of it to understand it more.March 7, 2016 at 3:57 pm #46167
Yantra There are many practices and physical exercises called yantras preliminary to tummo yoga. A good example of this is the visualization on the body as being hollow: “here the body and the energy channels (nadis) are to be seen as completely transparent and radiant”. This essential technique releases tensions and gives suppleness to the prana channels.
But Gotama was not interested in staying. Despite what he had learnt he could see that he was still subject to old age, sickness, and death and that his quest was not over. Thus, Gotama left Alara Kalama and went in search of a new teacher. At last he found another great teacher, Uddaka, who was famous for his cleverness. Again, Gotama learnt very quickly and soon knew as much as his teacher. He found that Uddaka could not teach him how to stop suffering, old age and death either, and he had never heard of anyone who could solve these problems. Once again the Ascetic Gotama was disappointed and left Uddaka, making up his mind to struggle by himself until he found the cause of all the suffering of life.
With this kind of things humility, in the right sense, is of utmost importance.
Sorry, but I think that one should regard this as quite beginner’s experience.
So if one is practicing, for example, what is taught in M. Chia’s ‘Awaken Healing Light of the Tao’, it’s possible in few days to learn to experience body’s energy system very differently than before.
But it’s just very beginning.
HOWDYMarch 9, 2016 at 8:59 am #46169
The knowledge of breath and pulse is among the most occulted knowledge in existence. This knowledge has been scrubbed from most of the Ayurvedic canon.
If one is doing any kind of energy yoga practices; it’s useful to also start to investigate various circulatory systems of the body as well as respiration.
In my opinion.
HOWDYMarch 15, 2016 at 8:12 pm #46171
that guy you quote in video link below. At the end he is talking about handling situations according to which nostril is active – if right yang you can prevail, if left back off. Perhaps the reason it was scrubbed.
RMarch 17, 2016 at 9:06 am #46173
Satellite tracking revealed the seals spend very little time on the surface, usually a few minutes for breathing. They dive repeatedly, each time for more than 20 minutes, to hunt their preysquid and fishat depths of 400 to 1,000 m (1,300 to 3,300 ft). They are the deepest diving air-breathing non-cetaceans and have been recorded at a maximum of 2,133 m (6,998 ft) in depth.
As far as duration, depth, and the sequence of dives, the southern elephant seal is the best performing seal. In many regards, they exceed even most cetaceans. These capabilities result from nonstandard physiological adaptations, common to marine mammals, but particularly developed in elephant seals. The coping strategy is based on increased oxygen storage and reduced oxygen consumption.
In the ocean, the seals apparently live alone. Most females dive in pelagic zones for foraging, while males dive in both pelagic and benthic zones. Individuals will return annually to the same hunting areas. Due to the inaccessibility of their deep-water foraging areas, no comprehensive information has been obtained about their dietary preferences, although some observation of hunting behavior and prey selection has occurred.
While hunting in the dark depths, elephant seals seem to locate their prey, at least in part, using vision; the bioluminescence of some prey animals can facilitate their capture. Elephant seals do not have a developed system of echolocation in the manner of cetaceans, but their vibrissae (facial whiskers), which are sensitive to vibrations, are assumed to play a role in search of food.
One can meditate without doing pranayama, but its regular practice is a great help in achieving success in meditation. For example, the stage before dhyana in raja yoga is dharana. Without being able to concentrate on one object for some time, dhyana is impossible. The usual method is to visualize an internal object with closed eyes. This in itself is not so simple, for any mental image is either blurred of fades away from view within a short time. Pranayama is extremely useful in encouraging the appearance of clear mental images which remain visible for longer periods of time. This is caused by redistribution of prana in the body, which renders the mind more able to perceive and control images.
-SWAMI SATYANANDA SARASWATI, Meditations from the Tantras
To me, as soon as there is an intermediary (i.e. someone other than oneself) who is relaying information, there is no way to know for sure. Consequently, to me, most spiritual texts–such as the ones you study and quote–are garbage. They are just a way to waste and lose the limited time we have on this planet. They provide no actual insight. No matter how good they look, they just taste like plastic.
Sorry for my broken English.
I think that one should be aware that Vasant Lad is first of all Ayurvedic practitioner; that’s his primary activity not yoga.
The reason for secrecy comes from situation where there are really totally immoral persons who at the same time can be extremely self-disciplined.
These are very egoistic and dangerous guys.
When you normally read material dealing with pranayama, you are instructed to count inhalation, exhalation and retention mentally/verbally, but the real effective way to do this is to learn, first of all, to scan blood circulation manually when at the same time you manipulate your respiration. It’s necessary to develop sensitivity to both pulse and blood pressure.
Ps. Here Steven’s remark is with this kind of practices very very immature. When one is dealing with potentially not only harmful but deadly practices, thorough enough knowledge of the tradition is reasonable.March 17, 2016 at 5:45 pm #46175
>>>Ps. Here Steven’s remark is with this
>>>kind of practices very very immature.
>>>When one is dealing with potentially
>>>not only harmful but deadly practices,
>>>thorough enough knowledge of the
>>>tradition is reasonable.
Nice straw man argument you’ve set up here.
If one chooses to learn any specific practice, outside of just random exploration, one needs to learn the details from a qualified instructor. One volunteers a SHORT amount of time in exchange for some techniques that allow one to progress more rapidly than without.
But spending one’s life reading about techniques, without actually doing anything, is what I was talking about [Note to c_howdy: pay attention to context, rather than excising quotes out of context]. Wasting one’s time getting second-hand intellectual food through reading–when there is no concrete way to validate the source–as opposed to getting actual FIRST-HAND direct experience, which requires validation to no one. There’s no rational reason why anyone would select the former over the latter, other than simple laziness and inertia. However, most do because it is easier to get a non-nutritious McDonald’s Happy Meal version of spirituality than it is to get something with actual vitamins.
SMarch 20, 2016 at 5:38 am #46177
What shall be the trespass offering which we shall return to him? They answered, Five golden emerods, and five golden mice … Wherefore ye shall make images of your emerods, and images of your mice that mar the land; and ye shall give glory unto the God of Israel: peradventure he will lighten his hand from off you, and from off your gods. — 1 Samuel 6:4-5
I am reminded of Steven’s attitude when I recall how I first decided to invest in the nano-crystal electric motor (that is now being launched – see http://www.KLDenergy.com).
Avadhūta (IAST avadhūta) is a Sanskrit term from some Indian religions referring to a type of mystic or saint who is beyond egoic-consciousness, duality and common worldly concerns and acts without consideration for standard social etiquette.
There would really seem to be some kind of pattern here.
Could it be simply uncontrolled jealousy in the first place?
…but spending one’s life reading about techniques, without actually doing anything…
This is the reason that one should throw away all normal ties.
…if one chooses to learn any specific practice, outside of just random exploration, one needs to learn the details from a qualified instructor…
One doesn’t necessarily need any kind of external authority.
External freedom is the most important thing after the inner enemy has been conquered.
For example with this thread it was about some special experiences and I only send message with reference to swara yoga which is about learning to deal with various natural/cosmic rhythms & energies.
There are all kind of special individuals: avatars, siddhas, goswamis, rishis, munis etc.
So for persons who are not just any weaklings there are very many unusual possibilities which never are available to stupid ordinary sinners.
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.March 20, 2016 at 8:53 am #46179
No, not even close. I’m not jealous of stories. Especially when these stories are not spoken directly by the person who had the experience. Many errors arise in retelling of stories–either ones that are obvious to someone that knows more, or are hidden due to inability to verify the legitimacy of the source.
My recommendation is only to suggest getting real quality information through an actual direct first-hand experience download. Then you know it is legit, and you don’t need external verification by anybody. In particular, if you yourself don’t have “special experiences” or “unusual possibilities”, then what you read could easily be made-up nonsense. I’m surprised you haven’t considered this problem.March 26, 2016 at 7:37 am #46181
You need to go to gym. I like nice firm arse.
In modern usage, sophism, sophist and sophistry are redefined and used disparagingly. A sophism is a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone. A sophist is a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments. Authentic Sophists as described by Plato, would enjoy the discussion of the modern usage and shift of definition, as the dialogue would be of the nature that the Sophists employed.
an argument apparently correct in form but actually invalid; especially : such an argument used to deceive
manipulate (a situation), typically in a way that is unfair or unscrupulous.
Sorry for my broken English.
I think that one shouldn’t be too serious with this.
This kind of forum is not really right arena for displaying some special powers.
…I’m surprised you haven’t considered this problem…
Yes, when I mentioned that somebody is immature, this kind of gaming with words for example is just that.
It’s really childish if one is seriously playing that way always.
HOWDYMarch 26, 2016 at 10:21 am #46183
>>>This kind of forum is not really right arena
>>>for displaying some special powers.
Are you now saying that you have some kind of special powers, but you are simply unable to show them, due to this being a forum? What does demonstration have to do with anything? What’s necessary is some kind of discernment technique that verifies legitimacy. This is what I’m waiting for, and you seem totally incapable of providing.
>>>Yes, when I mentioned that somebody is immature,
>>>this kind of gaming with words for example is just that.
>>>It’s really childish if one is seriously playing that way always.
Remember YOU are the one who initiated the straw man argument in this thread by your ad hominem attack against me saying “my comments were very immature” regarding techniques–when I wasn’t even in the thread with you and russeln–yet when I demand you back up your claims, you are completely incapable of defending the veracity of them. The only thing childish here is your pathetic personal attack attempt that started this whole sub-thread.
Oh . . . you don’t want to be trapped by your own words? Then don’t start such stupid attacks to begin with. A note to you for the future.
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