What Wu Ji is not.

Hi Fajin:

Why do you connect what you define as ‘spiritual science” with Lao Tsu and Chuang Tsu? Science will not in our life time explain the mysteries of the universe, so often they think they explain something they learn something new. It has its benefits, but you are chasing hands my friend, big mistake, never chase hands.

You promote Wu Ji polarized itself to create this disconnection of the orignal Shen, implying we are born inadequete and incomplete. You promote Wu Ji is not part of humanity, it is separate, show me any taoist teaching or teacher that says that.

You blame Wu Ji for creating lack of Yuan Source Qi, too little to integrate and harmonize itself to be whole and immortal. Where in the classics or great taoists say this. Oh, you do not base your teachings on the classics, not on the pioneers before us, why is this?

thank you,

bagua

bagua

Hi friend:

Lets see if I understand you.

Wu Ji created Potential, Potential created Consciousness. Right?

So Wu Ji created Potential that is inadequate or incomplete? or atleast created an incomplete consciousness, because it must evolve?

Your consciousness must evolve, this is your theme and it is alchemy which will accelerate your consciousness to evolve?

So Wu Ji created Potential, it does not know what that potential is, it does not know what consciousness must be conscous of?

Wu Ji does know what consciousness is? It does not what it is suppose to evolve into?

Do you see how you are so dualistic? Where is the oness of life here, where is the integration? Where is the tai chi at every level?

Are you implying you will be conscious of everyting in the universe? What must you be conscious of?

Thanks you,

bagua

Hi Fajin:

Thank you for you patience with me.

Faj
*Wu Ji created potential, but it is difficult to understand concsiousness. It is like trying to understand the concept of things being eternal. Can you imagine something without beginning and without an end?
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You say Wu Ji created Consciousness, then leaves it, has nothing to do with it, is now separate from it. This breaks the fundamental principle of Tao, one integrates universe.

Yes I can imagine enternity, thats what imaginations allow.

Faj
*The potential can become anything much like water can take the shape of any object you put it in, a cup, bottle, etc. It has everything in it to create all matter.
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Potential has no Dao? Isn’t Dao a way?
Doesn’t potential have a destiny? Creates by Wu Ji?

Faj
*That is why we chose to incarnate again, yes. Science will assist spiritual evolution soon.
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This is an assumption, is there a Taoist teacher or teachings, pre-buddhism that say we choose to incarnate?

Faj
*How can Wu Ji know or not know. It is not concious! Like you said, we do not know, it is supreme unknown, all we do know is that it created the potentiality of all matter, you can say Taiji, yes.
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Wu Ji is beyond us, it may or may not be conscious, you cannot not know what it can or cannot not do, only ego would say these things.

Faj
*We must be concsious of the SELF and the macrocosmos. Reunion of Dao and man, the final step in a Daoist’s cultivation.
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Well, all this talk and we finally agree.

Smiling with Fajin as we dance in the Dao,

bagua

Fajin:

Gee, there was peace and balance for a few moments, I thought our shen were harmonized.

FAJ
I*OK, Bagua. Wu Ji created that potential which is what Daoists call Taiji. Now let me ask you, what happens after Taiji? What causes it to polarize? Where does concsiousness come from? I am asking you to see why your understanding is different than mine, I will continue after you answer.
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Tai Ji is Yin/Yuan/Yang, three forces, working as one unit; they are the form-formless universe. Inseparable and integrated and always moving and always still; inside movement is stillness. Inside Tai Ji is Wu Ji, Ji to Ji.

Tai Ji is eternal, its offspring are enternal. Eternity is found in each moment, only in the present, this is tai ji. This is what Chan is all about, this is Dao. Its really simple.

Faj
*I just use different terms to help you understand my point of view better. I substituted Potential for Taiji – same thing. You understand now?
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Not a good choice of words, and a poor example, sorry my friend.

Faj

*The power of the self. Let me ask you again to understand you better, where do we go when we die? If you say we don’t know, then what is the purpose of continuing this? I make this assumption based on my belief of creation, which I believe is in tune with the Dao. That spirit concsiousness chose to reside in a body. After we die, we continue to incarnate into a body on Earth.
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My discussion with you is not about after death, it is about how to live now, live right now and everything will take care of itself, this is the advice of all enligthened people. This is the advice of tai ji, this is the advice of yuan space.

Eternity is experienced in this life, this should be our normal life experience. if your cultivation does not open you to this, change your practice or cultivate more.

Faj
*We do not agree with what we must be concsious of. Because I say that we need to learn more about the self, and about the macrocosmos, science will help us to study the Cosmos and our bodies, mind, and spirit better.
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You seek polarization, I seek harmony. I agreed with you. You cannot take that from me.

Smiles and hugs,

bagua

Hi Fajin:

Faj
*I know that Wu Ji is the blank circle and Tai Ji is the three forces within that circle.
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That is not the diagram i am referring to.

Middle is blank circle
outside of this blank cirlce are outer rings of yin-yang

Faj
What I was trying to get you to say was what makes the Taiji cord twist? Dao attempts to find the simplicity within the complexity which is why it seems complicated. For those who understand, it is simple. So tell me, why does the Taiji cord twist? Because I brang up Shou-Yu Liang, I’ll quote this wise Master again about this topic. I agree with him.
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Yin-yang is the dynamic force, causing movement, time-space.

Faj
“In a Taiji Symbol, one side is yang and the other is yin, and the curvature in the middle is the Taiji Cord. Taiji is derived from Wuji, the original nature of Dao. If we compress a Wuji Symbol (a circle) then twist the compressed symbol (oval) it becomes a Wuji twist (Wuji in a twist). Overlap the Wuji Symbol with the Wuji twist and it becomes a representation of the Taiji Symbol. The ability to reverse the twist and return it to its original nature is the way of the Dao.” (pg. 89, Qigong Empowerment).
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Wu Ji is always in all things in life, this is where we differ, you separate it from all of life. You isolate humanity from the source. If this was true we could not unite.

Fajin
Did you get all that, my good friend? The last sentence says, that to return to our original nature, we must REVERSE THE TWIST. This requires a concsious action, or intent, and is therefore an act of concsiousness. If concsiousness can reverse the twist in the Taiji cord, then it also twisted the Taiji cord in the first place. This is what I am trying to say, maybe now you agree with me, Bagua?
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I hope it works for you. I think there are many methods that can open oneself to their original nature.

Faj
>>Not a good choice of words, and a poor example, sorry my friend.<<

*I tried (sighs).
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thank you for trying, its very much appreciated.

Fajin
*I seek learning about the Macrocosmos and the self using science and Daoism for greater union of the two, not divide them even more.
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wonderful

dancing in the dao,

bagua

HI Fajin:

I think we all learn from each other here, so ultimately agreeing or not is not most important to me, its learning to look at things in different ways. So you have offered much and I appreciate that.

Faj
Philosophically, the highest cultivation of all schools is to achieve the ability to rverse the twist in the Taiji Cord, thereby returning to Wuji.”(pg. 90, Qigong Empowerment)
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I think one must find out what reversing means, in real life experience, not just a theory.

To me, our challenge is not learning about what causes movement, it is what causes stillness. We live in a world of change, this is later heaven, but how do we tap into the stillness in the movement, how do we find early heaven in later heaven. The chinese call this idea, Ti and Yong, Early Heaven is Ti and Later is Yong, one is the body and one application, this is heaven in earth.

I dont call myself anything, not taoist, not chan. But when i study and practice them i share what i get from them. This is real freedom. Control your kung fu, dont let your kung fu control you.

So hopefully our paths will lead to the same distination and we can smile and dance together.

Bagua