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I have been reading the Jade Dragon by Hsi Lai.
In this book he describe a cruel explotation that the White tigresses, advanced female practisers of internal taoists methods, did use on unknowing men. The tigers did suck the energies out and not leave the men until they were totaly depleted of energy and impotent. I wonder how could it be possible for advanced female practisers to use such methods. Could you realy call this spiritual practises. If they where such a skild persons in theire practises didn’t they get any feelings our other messages that did correct them from such missbehaviors. Or wasn’t it a missbehaviour? Or is it just poosible for this advanced practioners to use their force in good as well as bad ways, like white and black magics, and if what does this imply for all us that practise on a more less advanced level. I also wonder if spiritually their will be any drawbacks for people that missuse such a powers like we are talking about here. Like sexual and spiritual powers.Otherwais I think Hsi Lais books are interesting and I also found a chat site about this practises. http://WWW.Whitetigress.org. Where people using this training and others can chat to eachother and make meetings with eachother for eventual sexual contacts and also are able to ask questions to the more advanced in this practises. Anybody knowing anything about this?
I read the book white tigress. Reading one book is not the whole picture.
As with every spritual practice you can use it black or white, use or misuse it. Advanced practice doesn’t imply – being ‘good’. You choose to honor the infra- or supradimension whatever you believe will give you the power to control or the love to heal.I believe that women living in a suppressed society choose the power to control out of misery to escape their dungeon. So sure they will misuse their abilities to seek that power. Just the result of the whole, one I can understand. I have the change to speak freely and express myself ‘almost’ without any boundaries, so I have the opportunity to choose the love. If I was in a different situation, suppressed or severly dominated, I would choose control. I surely would choose to get even, and strike back, using every possible skill. If I had to sacrifice a couple of potent men for that, I have no doubt about that. I have a deep understanding for that part. Like in a war, sacrifices are inevitable.
What I see and experience with foreign muslim women in my city, they lie and cheat and use black magic as a result of their suppression. It is repulsive because they are not be trusted, no way. They misuse you in every possible way. They have to lie and cheat to survive or are beaten, hurt or killed if they dare to speak out loud what they feel.
They feel save behind their burka or scarf, it is a protection shield. without that they are considered like whores and give access for violence.
they fear freedom of speech because in their environment in means pain, so they choose shelter and scream very loud that the scarf is a symbol of being a muslim. No, It is the symbol of protection against…they feel much saver behind it.
Every traditional muslim woman I know of has health problems, headaches, pains, depression, how come? Every muslim woman without a scarf I know of has severe emotional problems, how come? Do you think they mind to sacrifice a couple of men for their process of salvation…Hi Wendy
Yes you got a point here when you say its all about power. But I also think its not only about men supressing woman and now I speak wery general. I don’t know so much of all the muslim societies to see the hole picture here. No what I’m thinking about is not men supressing woman but consepts social structures supressing all the people in it. I don’t think that men can be whole if they not let the women have equal oportunities to develop and to speak their thoughts. Whit this I mean that its not only the woman in this societiys feeling bad probably the men doesn’t feel so good either. They can’t if they supress women and on a bigger scale supress the feminine principle the yin forces. So in my opinion its not the men that supress the women its the believes system that supress women and men and this is also true for the western word in some sences.
Yes I’m shore that people living under hard surcomstances also seek power. There are also a psychologist, Alfred Adler i think, that mean that its the power that is the primal factor that people are driving by, just not sexuality like Freud. I realy not have the whole picture about the White Tigresses, where they realy supressed the ones using this as I cauld cruel methods?
About muslims we have this incidence now about the pictures of Mohammed and the big consecvenses vid burning of the scandinavian embasies and other more or less fanatic reactions. This say something bigger about something going on betwean the west and the muslim word I think. Theire most be wery much hatred going on if such pictures can provoke such actions. I had also noticed that their are quit much negativity in the picture of the muslims in the western press. I hope we are not on or way to make big conflicts here and I don’t mean just the rections on the pictures but on a more general basis.
I saw something intresting on the telly a while ago it was about a chinese written language only for womwen. The women used it without the mens knowledge and in all there works like what they created like in there curtains they write down stories and poems about the missery in theire life so every other women could read it even in tbe next generations and they self could use it to get some sort of canal for theire feelings. Therapy.
An intresting fact was that you could see a diffrence betwean diffrent Chinese societies theire were three groups the confucian ruled society where the women language was common and the mixed confusian and taoist society where the language also was common but rarer than in the first example and in the third region where the taoism was the main religion and there had the language totally waniched!
I agree with our cold dragon – it is about power. Also power is still based on sex though, so it is not that simple. As far as whether the methods are ‘evil’ or not – my perspective would be, do as ye will. NN
Yes I now this with power and sex and with religion and sex to. I was studying a lot of Jungian Psychoanalysis some years ago and perhaps you are familjar with the brakes betwean Freud and Adler and also Freud and Jung beacase they did leave the sexual basic theories for other theories Adler with power as a ground and Jung with the religious symbolism and the goals for human to reach their self. But since dealing with the healing tao system I see that everything actually is connected.
But this perspective as do as you like isn’t something I completely can agree with you Nnonnth about. I like the general idea in the taoists Philosophy that we can’t follow rules when talking about morality. We have to make judgemnts in the moments thinks happens and in some way try do to our best not to hurt others. Of coarse people living under harder sircumstances have not so easy to realise this and to achive it either.
But insn’t it so, I think I have red it in the “cultivating female energy book” by Chia, that if women use their sexual powers on men not cultivated in this practises they hirt the men physicaly but they also hurt themselves emotionally. So I think this is an issue for Women using their sexual powers!
This is the way of demi-gods.
Male humans do it also.Or do you prefer the wimpy feedings by mortals…
Mortals, demi-gods, gods, ‘alchemists’. Different civilizations.
Heya Dragon –
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> Of course it’s true. My point of view (BTW I know little of Taoism and follow none of it so I shouldn’t be here really) is simply, as the Spanish Proverb has it – “Take what you want – and pay for it”.
If a woman did this her whole life, at the end of her life the only reason she wouldn’t be continuously crying would be that the ability to cry would long since have left her. That is the price. If you can pay the price, do it. I leave it up to people to judge what they want to do, and I never say never do anything.
Furthermore, doing it ONCE, on a male nonentity who needed to be taught something and/or wouldn’t go away, is another matter entirely! The point is that it might be your True Will to do it once. If you became addicted to it then it would no longer be your True Will – addiction is precisely a repeated violation of the True Will I guess. The emotional wound is then taking action all by itself, the woman herself is not acting at all.
How would I feel if a woman did this to me? Miffed. I’d play her at her own game. I’d drain her back even. And after a while, when I walked out of her bedroom she would realise all the ‘power’ she wanted was walking out with me – far more than she could get from her little victims. Who knows? Maybe then she would realise a man is worth something more as a respected enemy than a disrespected one. We could come to an agreement. I am someone who often enjoys the fact that the battle of the sexes is actually a battle. There could come to be rules to the battle in such a case. That wonderful thing, trust, could even develop.
Of course the story would be unlikely to settle into wedded bliss! But the point is that sometimes going against the rules (or certainly, being WILLING to do so) releases energy if you can handle the consequences. If you can’t, blame yourself.
Whatever – you must do what you are prompted to do. Doing the wrong thing might be better than wasting away doing nothing at all. A woman who started such a practice would probably be smarter than most; over time she might lose alot of her genuine superiority in selfishness, and it would turn into bilious hatred and self-disgust. But is that really any of my business? She’s smart and she can choose for herself. I refuse to pity her ‘victims’ either, who have even less self-respect than she. You see what I mean?
best NN
Heya Dragon –
You wrote: >>But insn’t it so, I think I have red it in the “cultivating female energy book” by Chia, that if women use their sexual powers on men not cultivated in this practises they hirt the men physicaly but they also hurt themselves emotionally. So I think this is an issue for Women using their sexual powers!<< Of course it's true. My point of view (BTW I know little of Taoism and follow none of it so I shouldn't be here really) is simply, as the Spanish Proverb has it - "Take what you want - and pay for it". If a woman did this her whole life, at the end of her life the only reason she wouldn't be continuously crying would be that the ability to cry would long since have left her. That is the price. If you can pay the price, do it. I leave it up to people to judge what they want to do, and I never say never do anything. Furthermore, doing it ONCE, on a male nonentity who needed to be taught something and/or wouldn't go away, is another matter entirely! The point is that it might be your True Will to do it once. If you became addicted to it then it would no longer be your True Will - addiction is precisely a repeated violation of the True Will I guess. The emotional wound is then taking action all by itself, the woman herself is not acting at all. How would I feel if a woman did this to me? Miffed. I'd play her at her own game. I'd drain her back even. And after a while, when I walked out of her bedroom she would realise all the 'power' she wanted was walking out with me - far more than she could get from her little victims. Who knows? Maybe then she would realise a man is worth something more as a respected enemy than a disrespected one. We could come to an agreement. I am someone who often enjoys the fact that the battle of the sexes is actually a battle. There could come to be rules to the battle in such a case. That wonderful thing, trust, could even develop. Of course the story would be unlikely to settle into wedded bliss! But the point is that sometimes going against the rules (or certainly, being WILLING to do so) releases energy if you can handle the consequences. If you can't, blame yourself. Whatever - you must do what you are prompted to do. Doing the wrong thing might be better than wasting away doing nothing at all. A woman who started such a practice would probably be smarter than most; over time she might lose alot of her genuine superiority in selfishness, and it would turn into bilious hatred and self-disgust. But is that really any of my business? She's smart and she can choose for herself. I refuse to pity her 'victims' either, who have even less self-respect than she. You see what I mean? best NN
Hello Jernej
I don’t follow you maybe I’m to down to earth or maýbe just not familjar with your concepts.
“This is the way of demi-gods.” whats that?“Male humans do it also.” Yes maybe but as I have heard the woman isnt’t taking any hurt or at least aren’t so sensitive and fragile as the men are.
Or do you prefer the wimpy feedings by mortals… “What do you mean eating?”
“Mortals, demi-gods, gods, ‘alchemists’. Different civilizations. ” ?
– Michael’s post below, on ‘using women for immortality’ is answering the same question. When he says ‘practice fusion before sacred sex to avoid this’, he is using his lingo and what he means I think is – know who you are what you want before doing it to avoid such embarassments as ’emotional damage’.
NN
Hello Nnonnth
This is wery much about power. I’m not sure this is so obvious to me. For instance the battle of the sexes is of coarse something I am consious about and have had times I have been seing it in my own life. But in my opinion I prefer to act in love and try not to involve to much in this with power or battles betwean peoples. I’m sure this about braking rules is trilling and even creates a lot of energy and this is interesting. Have some experiences myself. Reading what you write I begin to wonder if I should be more involved in this with power in my own life in connecting to other people. Maybe i have something to learn here. I have had relations with women that had a lot of power and who where much more avare of this with power than I am. It’s ineresting. Maybe it has something to do with my helth problems as well. I will think more about this. But I’m more into the love aspect in my connections with people and if it is to much struggle for power I’m often isn’t interested. Bur sometimes I maybe should.
You write “I refuse to pity her ‘victims’ either, who have even less self-respect than she. ” Why do you mean that the victims have even less self-respect than she has? If they not are counsios about what she does that doesnt mean that they have little self respect does it? I don’t think it’s a question of pity it is a question of using powers in ways that not simply is about gaining your own ego but to have higher goals than that.
So I’m not shore this Take what you want and pay for it is the wisest why to handle the life. But it is shure a provocative way of living that can have its benefits so far I can agree with you. But I’m a bit confused here. Maybe some one more have anything to add to this discussion.
>>Why do you mean that the victims have even less self-respect than she has?<< When someone is 'draining someone else of chi' in a deliberate manner and giving nothing in exchange, they are sucking the very *soul-life* out of them! Impossible for the 'victim' not to be aware of it on some level if it's really harmful. You might not know the technique being used, but you sure would know you didn't feel good and you would start to realise why. If you keep going back for more, what does it say about you? You are addicted to a process that makes you weak. You do not have the self-respect to run away from a pleasure that is destroying you. Any different than a crack addiction? I think not. As for the rest of what you say. It is common to believe that 'living by love' means being a doormat. It doesn't. It doesn't mean giving and giving until you have nothing left to give. It might mean giving and giving because you *do have* something to give, but that is a very different proposition. How can you help others if you can't do anything for yourself? What kind of help can you give them? The 'battle of the sexes' does end in reconciliation and orgasm. But if there is no battle first there may be less excitement! And excitement, if it is actually desired by both parties and you know how to handle it, is no bad thing I feel. Who has better sex? The couple who fights or the couple who is very plodding and silent? Best of all is the couple who has the energy of the battle but doesn't waste it in fighting, or so I believe. That takes maturity though. Just my thoughts, others here might well disagree. best NN
Just to mention my understanding of psychology: We have four main impulses/drives in our life these are:
no.1 Pain and Pleasure,
no.2 dominate or submit,
no.3 using symbols,
no.4 sexual/cultural identity.The power strugle you speak of is really about no.2 and is only a small part of the intrinsic human drive. Some people are submissive some are dominant and the rest are in the middle – women culturaly are represented as submissive, but that’s just cultural representation – in fact some women are submissive some are dominant. If you put a dominant woman in a submissive role she will likely try and dominate with any kind of underhanded tactics she can – men are no different.
Freud was mostly concerned with no.4, although he also recognised no.1 and no.2 he called these “oral” and “anal” stages of development – ever noticed how animals mark their teritory with their excrement – that’s a form of domination (no.2). Ever noticed how some people eat so much to feel pleasure (and reduce pain) that’s the no.1 oral stage playing itself out. What freud didn’t aknowledge was no.3 which is about using symbols/language, mathematics, forming theories etc. – I guess the reason is because he was so involved in making theories and models he didn’t notice himself doing it. No.4 is also concerned with your sexual and societal identity, and also ‘adult morality’ – ever notice how people with very rigid and dogmatic morals often exhibit deviant sexual behaviour? Think catholic priests for example.
As with any theory, this is quite generalised, and surely cant represent ‘the whole truth’ – but it is very usefull! And by the way – there are four more human drives, they’re like the higher octaves of these original four, and are considered to be spiritual/mystical or whatever… but we’ll leave that for another time.
See first page after cover.
Dedicated solely to a male human.HE JUST PRACTICED WHAT HIS MASTER TAUGHT HIM.
Lived for cca 220 years.
Outlived cca 17 wives.
(On top of producing many offspring.)You do the math…
And ask yourself
‘what was he doing?’
Muscle/Tendon Changing and Marrow/Brain Washing Chi Kung: The Secret of You
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