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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6171503.stm
Why are Jews attending a conference on the Holocaust in Tehran at which star guests include deniers of the genocide? Clue: they also want an end to the Israeli state.
A handful of Orthodox Jews have attended Iran’s controversial conference questioning the Nazi genocide of the Jews – not because they deny the Holocaust but because they object to using it as justification for the existence of Israel.With their distinctive hats, beards and side locks, these men may, to the untrained eye, look like any other Orthodox believers in Jerusalem or New York. But the Jews who went to Tehran are different.
Some of them belong to Neturei Karta (Guardians of the City), a group of a few thousand people which views Zionism – the movement to establish a Jewish national home or state in what was Palestine – as a “poison” threatening “true Jews”.
A feature to the BBC News Magazine – aiming to answer some of the questions behind the headlines
A representative, UK-based Rabbi Aharon Cohen, told the conference he prayed “that the underlying cause of strife and bloodshed in the Middle East, namely the state known as Israel, be totally and peacefully dissolved”.
In its place, Rabbi Cohen said, should be “a regime fully in accordance with the aspirations of the Palestinians when Arab and Jew will be able to live peacefully together as they did for centuries”.
Neturei Karta believes the very idea of an Israeli state goes against the Jewish religion.
The book of Jewish law or Talmud, they say, teaches that believers may not use human force to create a Jewish state before the coming of the Messiah.
But how does Neturei Karta and other Orthodox Jews such as Austria-based Rabbi Moishe Ayre Friedman justify attending such a controversial conference?
Rabbi Friedman told BBC Radio Four’s PM programme that he was not in Tehran to debate whether the Holocaust happened or not, but to look at its lessons.
He says the Holocaust was being used to legitimise the suffering of other peoples and he wanted to break what he called a taboo on discussing it.
The main thing, he argued, was not Jewish suffering in the past but the use of the Holocaust as a “tool of commercial, military and media power”.
In what many other Jews would consider the height of naivety, he commended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for wanting “a secured future for innocent Jewish people in Europe and elsewhere”.
In his speech to the conference, Neturei Karta’s Rabbi Cohen said there was no doubt about the Holocaust and it would be “a terrible affront to the memory of those who perished to belittle the guilt of the crime in any way”.
However, he also argued that the genocide had been divine will. “The Zionists, with their secular pompous approach behave in complete opposition to this philosophy and dare to say ‘Never Again’.
“They have the audacity to think that they can prevent the Almighty from repeating a Holocaust. This is heresy.”
Neturei Karta have been condemned by other Orthodox Jews as an extreme fringe movement while the Tehran conference has been denounced by the Israeli parliament.
“British historian David Irving has been found guilty in Vienna of
denying the Holocaust of European Jewry and sentenced to three years in
prison”http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4733820.stm
“Bendikt Frings, 48, a psychologist from Germany, said he believed
Mr. Ahmadinejad was “an honest direct man,” and said he had come to
the conference to thank him for what he had initiated.“We are forbidden to have such a conference in Germany,” he said. ”
All my childhood, we waited for something like this.”Toben Feredrick, from Australia, said Mr. Ahmadinejad has opened an
issue “which is morally and intellectually crippling the Western
society.”“People are imprisoned in Germany for denying the Holocaust,” he
added.Mr. Feredrick said he was jailed for six months in 1999 because of
his ideas, and that a court in Germany has ordered him arrested if
he speaks out publicly again denying that the Holocaust took place.Other Western “revisionists” presented what they called new facts
about the Holocaust at the conference, which also attracted
attendees from some ultra-Orthodox Jews belonging to anti-Zionist
sects that reject the state of Israel. One participant wearing the
traditional long black coat and hat of such groups wore a badge
saying: “A Jew, not a Zionist.”“One of the first scheduled speakers, Robert Faurisson of France,
also called the Holocaust a myth created to justify the occupation
of Palestine.”http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/11/world/middleeast/11cnd-iran.html?
_r=1&hp&ex=1165899600&en=89a54e1e0974643d&ei=5094&partner=homepage&or
ef=slogin“Robert Faurisson is Europe’s leading Holocaust revisionist scholar.
He was educated at the Paris Sorbonne, and served as associate
professor at the University of Lyon in France from 1974 until 1990.
He is a recognized specialist of text and document analysis. After
years of private research and study, Dr. Faurisson first made public
his skeptical views about the Holocaust extermination story in
articles published in 1978 in the French daily Le Monde. His
writings on the Holocaust issue have appeared in two books and
numerous scholarly articles, many of which have been published in
the IHR’s Journal of Historical Review.”Repercussions:
At least 10 times physically assaulted by Holocaust Enforcers; on
several occasions nearly killed. Jaws broken. Teeth knocked out.
Hospitalized for weeks. Persecuted mercilessly in endless legal
battles.”http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/faurisson.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson“Iran conference attendee: Holocaust an enormous lie
“French writer Georges Thiel, who was convicted in France for
spreading revisionist theories about mass extermination of Jews,
says `there was no machinery of murder in any camp – no gas
chambers'”http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3338811,00.html
“Why are Jews at the ‘Holocaust denial’ conference? ”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6171503.stm
“Holocaust denier Irving is jailed
David Irving arrived at court carrying a copy of one of his books
British historian David Irving has been found guilty in Vienna of
denying the Holocaust of European Jewry and sentenced to three years
in prison.”http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4733820.stm
APPARENTLY HIS CHANGE OF STATEMENT WHILE FACING IMPRISONMENT MAY
HAVE JUST CHANGED RIGHT BACK AFTERWARDS“French writer Georges Thiel, who was convicted in France for
spreading revisionist theories about mass extermination of Jews,
says `there was no machinery of murder in any camp – no gas
chambers’ ”I mean this in the sense of:
What do the majority of Jew’s REALLY think about their Bible.. do they take the story of Moses as literal truth? Do they think there is an afterlife?
What do Muslim’s really think? Is it really philosophy and hope and faith? I do not recall this comic book like seeming-exaggeration in the Koran, but could be wrong..
Any thoughts?
Does anyone recall Adonai-Yahweh threatening all the Jews, toasting them in pillars of fire for making mistakes like what they place don the altar, and telling them to invade, kill, and imprison virgins?
I my self enjoy Jordan Maxwells view that in ancient times the first religions where those of the stars especially the sun. He says that most religious storys and books tell the story of the zodiac. The planets and constellations are given faces and play out a story. I also believe this happens to great teachers back in the day. It would be like us taking Michael Winn and turning him into the sun of god because we worship the sun. Also giving him the same story we give to the sun. Before all this I believe there was Alchemy.
As for today people have changed the symbols to mean diferent things in there life. The more literacy of religous people, and reading of religious books, the more differences you will have. Again it is just reflective of the holistic health of the human society. I thought the piece above was interesting because it was a bunch of Jews telling there family that it is not ok to murder people and move them of there home land. There interpretation of there religion would not allow them to do such a thing.
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