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Lusting is a sign of leaking.
There are three reasons to mate:
A-birth a child
B-birth an inner child
C-birth a potentiality of childA is the way of ancestral dream.
B is Salomon magic.
C is ultimate.If you go for B, then you must go through with it. If not you are making investments and discarding the returns.
If you go for B with deathwish, all will be heard.When you have your goal then you Call your woman.
Given that woman’s capacity is usually suffiecient to adjust her her internal structure to your goal structure and the magic works.In your case She Called you.
She recognized you.
She asked for your name.
And you presented none.
You were lucky.
You were food.It is not that you didn’t have your Word. It is that you doubted it.
Make sure that when you are mating,
that you are mating your aspects that are allign with your goal/pole
with here femminine lush that called you.
Do not mate your aspects that are not alligned with your goal/pole with her. That will cause the cauldron to break.
If you are skilled you can mate your goal alligned aspects with your frustrating aspects. This is going from external alchemy to internal.So mate your confidence with her receptivity. Do not mate your frustrations with her receptivity. You can only know confidence if you know frustration. The passion of such shizo psyche is rubbing onto others.
Even Winn said to define your goal before doing kan li.
Goals are entities.
Lust, ancestors, projects, prime matter are all entities.
Make your alliances wisely.If I thought of all that stuff I probably wouldn’t be able to have sex in the first place. I leak, I drool, I pee, is leakage really that bad?
Peace
Michael
Hi, this is my first time posting here, although i’ve been following some of the topics on this (and another) board closely for a few months.
I discovered Internal Alchemy through a series of ‘coincidences’, and before that have been coincidentaly drawn into many varied forms of personal development. My main background is in NLP (neuro linguistic programing) and other ‘mind’ methods. I’m also very fond of certain types of philosophy and something came to mind when i read Plato’s post. It’s a concept from a guy called Alfred Korzybski, and i think it might help to look at this predicament in a different way.
The Map Is Not The Territory
This is the concept I’m talking about. As we experience the world around us, we tend to accept our < i >view< /i > of the world as Reality (note the capital R). We look at a leaf and perhaps say ‘the leaf is green’.
In fact what we see is wavelengths of light bouncing off into our unique retina and producing something we call ‘green’ – In fact we produced the whole notion of the object in your hand being a ‘leaf’.
The way we experience the world is unique to each individual in individual ‘realities'(small r this time) – in fact there is no way of talking about this Objective Reality because no one has ever experienced it.
Think of the actual leaf as the ‘territory’ in the above quote and your categorization of it firstly being a ‘leaf’ and secondly being ‘green’ as the map.
We need to use maps to get anything usefull out of our senses, the problem is that most people confuse the map with the territory. This causes all kinds of problems (one such problem was highlighted by rainbowbear who mistook some pixels on a screen (that represented words to certain people) with something that is ‘rude’… the fact is that the ‘rudeness’ is rainbowbear’s own, personal map, and s/he may think that it’s the territory or The Reality).
The fact is that the ‘niceness’ of that ass is your own map, and that ‘it’s bad to crave for ass’ is another map. I’m sure, Plato, you already know this implicitly and i understand that it causes pain foro you, because after all the work you’ve done on yourself you still get uncontrollable urges and lust.
The good news is that a persons map is quite pliable in reasonable contexts. What you have to understand is that you’re just mapping an ass as this huge, big deal, when in fact it mainly consists of light bouncing off molecules into your eyes.
So to change your ‘mapping’ process you have to understand how you create your maps: the answer is through your senses. Plato, if you read this, try something out for me…
can you think of something that someone may lust over, but for you it’s no big deal… could be anything: money, chocolate, expensive hand-bags (lol). Just think about this neutral (neutral to your map, that is) thing and pay close attention to how you represent it in your mind… you will be using a combination of your senses. Once you thought about this neutral thing, think back to the nice ass: what, specificaly, is different in your representations?
The things that could be different:
the position, size, colour and other qualities of the internal visual representation of each of the objects (the neutral object and the ass).You could have a voice or a certain noise in your mind (“mmmmm that’s a nice ass” and “i dont care about handbags!”), perhaps the tone of voice is defferent, the quality of the sound, the location etc
And ofcourse there will be a certain feeling that goes with the experience of these two objects. Notice the quality of the feeling where it starts, where it moves to, and where it loops to start again. (you should be very good at this from all the chi kung practice!)
Now, one of the senses may be more important to you than the others (if you think about either objects what comes first, feeling, auditory or visual?)
Just go back and forth between the two objects and when you’ve noticed the major (and quite specific) differences between the two; adjust your internal experience of the ass to be represented exactly the same way as the neutral object. So in the case of visual you may change the picture position to match, you may change the colour etc…
try this out, and you will be able to make the experience of the ass as neutral as the other object. I’ve used this technique to make myself enjoy broccoli! lol (i hated it before)
one final thing to try would be to feel what it feels like to be lustful (visualise something that would produce this state if it helps)… again feel where the feeling starts… notice where it moves and where it loops back to repeat (it nearly always follows this formula)
when you’re sure you’ve got it take that feeling and run it backwards (so it ends where it had started etc..) run it backwards several times speeding up each time, you should feel the feeling transform into something new… at that point stop and try to imagine something, again, that would make you lustfull… do you get the lusty feelings? if not then you’re successfull! (I’ve personaly seen 6 people cure *extreme* phobias in 10 minutes using this technique, and one of the guys was in therapy for 2 years before he tried this lol!!) … if you are successfull, then imagine being in a situation sometime in the future that would have normaly made you feel lustful and spin the new feeling in the new direction again…
Hopefully this would have had a positive effect on shaping your personal map of the territory into something that is more agreeable to you. Please let me know how it goes if you do it. And for anyone else: you can use both of the techniques with any specific problems you have!
All the best
freeformI agree with Max – we are ultimately shaping our reality, even though it appears reality is shaping us.
I went through a period (some decades ago, time is speeding on) where I was trying to figure out why my mind was obsessed with sex. And I experimented by seeing every cute ass as filled with shit, i.e. focusing on the function of the ass instead of its form. it migiht have helped shift the issue temporarily, but I eventually discarded the method, it offended my aesthetic sensibilities.
I discovered I don’t need to suppress desire with negative images, just redirect it positively into my alchemical process.I eventually found it more useful to work with the obsession and take it where it really wanted to go – into the soul(s) of the woman who was doing her best to distract me.
This requires us to go a level deeper. There are invisible soul forces at work that are not part of one’s ordinary mind. Perhaps Pluto is pushing Plato to realize himself at the porn convention and Nepture is pushing Max to wonder at the dream of leaves falling. Soul preferences are determining the form of mental attachments and the path our self-realization will take.
Its why its also so dangerous – and pointless – to judge another’s level of realization.
Not to mention, of course, that the Soul itself is just a temporary pattern in Nature’s mind.
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It is ok.
It is my obsession.
And you are right. I am generally ascetic.
Woman are great window to the soul.
I always peered in their eyes to see my hope. It was always transient or lacking.
Me always hiding in shadows and woman specific nature might have something to do with it. Some stood by for a while curios.Very poetic J.
Looking deeply into the eyes of another can be far more intimate then sex. I find even my wife backs away from too intimate an ‘eye’ stare.
My kids will let me do it though. You see the shine, the reflection, thoughts flicker through it, the pupil shrinks and expands so quickly.
Peace
Michael
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