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October 4, 2016 at 11:13 am #47280c_howdyParticipant
For those who might find what follows just slightly difficult to believe, I invite you to Google a phrase along the lines of “Jimmy Cayne helicopter Plaza Hotel bridge golf megalomaniac marijuana.”
-CHARLES FERGUSON, Predator Nation: Corporate Criminals, Political Corruption, and the Hijacking of AmericaOctober 5, 2016 at 11:24 pm #47282elephantParticipantInteresting. Mightn’t the Neptunian influence manifest as issues around electoral fraud, or unclear results (perhaps a la Florida 2000, or Truman/Dewey 1948) ?
October 7, 2016 at 7:57 pm #47284StevenModeratorTrump recorded having extremely lewd conversation about women in 2005
By David A. Fahrenthold
October 7 at 7:20 PM
The Washington PostDonald Trump bragged in vulgar terms about kissing, groping and trying to have sex with women during a 2005 conversation caught on a hot microphone, saying that when youre a star, they let you do it, according to a video obtained by The Washington Post.
The video captures Trump talking with Billy Bush, then of Access Hollywood, on a bus with the shows name written across the side. They were arriving on the set of Days of Our Lives to tape a segment about Trumps cameo on the soap opera.
The tape includes audio of Bush and Trump talking inside the bus, as well as audio and video once they emerge from it to begin shooting the segment.
In that audio, Trump discusses a failed attempt to seduce a woman, whose full name is not given in the video.
I moved on her, and I failed. Ill admit it, Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.
Whoa, another voice said.
I did try and f— her. She was married, Trump says.
Trump continues: And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, Ill show you where they have some nice furniture.
I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldnt get there. And she was married, Trump says. Then all of a sudden I see her, shes now got the big phony tits and everything. Shes totally changed her look.
At that point in the audio, Trump and Bush appear to notice Arianne Zucker, the actress who is waiting to escort them into the soap-opera set.
Your girls hot as s—, in the purple, says Bush, whos now a co-host of NBCs Today show.
Whoa! Trump says. Whoa!
Ive got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her, Trump says. You know Im automatically attracted to beautiful I just start kissing them. Its like a magnet. Just kiss. I dont even wait.
And when youre a star, they let you do it, Trump says. You can do anything.
Whatever you want, says another voice, apparently Bushs.
Grab them by the p—y, Trump says. You can do anything.
A spokeswoman for NBC Universal, which produces and distributes Access Hollywood, declined to comment.
This was locker-room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course not even close, Trump said in a statement. I apologize if anyone was offended.
Billy Bush, in a statement released by NBC Universal, said: Obviously Im embarrassed and ashamed. Its no excuse, but this happened eleven years ago I was younger, less mature, and acted foolishly in playing along. Im very sorry.
After the video appeared online Friday afternoon, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton wrote on Twitter: This is horrific. We cannot allow this man to become president. Her running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.), told reporters, It makes me sick to my stomach, while campaigning in Las Vegas.
Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which has endorsed Clinton, issued a statement from Executive Vice President Dawn Laguens saying: What Trump described in these tapes amounts to sexual assault.
Trump was also criticized by members of his own party, including Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), who is running for reelection, and has said she will vote for Trump. His comments are totally inappropriate and offensive, Ayotte said in a written statement.
No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever., Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in a statement.
One of Trumps most prominent social-conservative supporters, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, told BuzzFeeds Rosie Gray: My personal support for Donald Trump has never been based upon shared values.
Trumps running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, was at a diner in Toledo when the news broke about to view the diners collection of signed cardboard hot-dog buns, which includes one signed by Trump. But the reporters traveling with Pence were quickly ushered out of the diner by campaign staff, before they could ask Trumps running mate about it, according to Politico. Politico reported that the journalists, traveling in Pences protective pool, were not permitted to film Pence as he left the diner.
The tape appears at a time when Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, has sought to make a campaign issue out of his opponents marriage. Trump has criticized former president Bill Clinton for his past infidelity and criticized opponent Hillary Clinton as her husbands enabler.
Hillary Clinton was married to the single greatest abuser of women in the history of politics, Trump told the New York Times in a recent interview. Hillary was an enabler, and she attacked the women who Bill Clinton mistreated afterward. I think its a serious problem for them, and its something that Im considering talking about more in the near future.
Trump carried on a very public affair with Marla Maples his eventual second wife while still married to first wife Ivana Trump.
Trump has been criticized in this campaign for derogatory and lewd comments about women, including some made on TV and live radio. In an interview Wednesday with KSNV, a Las Vegas television station, Trump said that those comments were made for entertainment.
A lot of that was done for the purpose of entertainment. Theres nobody that has more respect for women than I do, he told the station.
Are you trying to tone it down now? asked the interviewer, Jim Snyder.
Its not a question of trying, its very easy, said Trump.
The tape obtained by The Post seems to have captured Trump in a private moment, with no audience beyond Bush and a few others on the bus. It appears to have been shot around Sept. 16, 2005, which was the day media reports said Trump would tape his soap-opera cameo.
The video shows the bus carrying Trump and Bush turning down a street on the studio back lot. The two men cannot be seen.
Oh, nice legs, huh? Trump says.
Oof, get out of the way, honey, Bush says, apparently referencing somebody else blocking the view of Zucker.
The two men then exit the bus and greet Zucker.
Were ready, lets go, Trump says, after the initial greetings. Make me a soap star.
How about a little hug for the Donald? Bush says. He just got off the bus.
Would you like a little hug, darling? Zucker says.
Absolutely, Trump says. As they embrace, and air-kiss, Trump says, Melania said this was okay.
The video then follows Trump, Bush and Zucker into the studio. Trump did appear on Days of Our Lives in late October. In a tape of that cameo posted online, Zuckers character asks Trump playing himself for a job at his business, and tells him suggestively, I think youll find Im a very willing employee. Working under you, I think, could be mutually beneficial.
Trumps character gives her the brushoff.
Thats an interesting proposition, Trump says on-screen. Ill get back to you.
A publicist for Zucker did not immediately respond to questions on Friday afternoon.
October 9, 2016 at 6:22 am #47286c_howdyParticipantLeaked Speech Excerpts Show a Hillary Clinton at Ease With Wall Street
By AMY CHOZICK, NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and MICHAEL BARBAROOCT. 7, 2016
In lucrative paid speeches that Hillary Clinton delivered to elite financial firms but refused to disclose to the public, she displayed an easy comfort with titans of business, embraced unfettered international trade and praised a budget-balancing plan that would have required cuts to Social Security, according to documents posted online Friday by WikiLeaks.
The tone and language of the excerpts clash with the fiery liberal approach she used later in her bitter primary battle with Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont and could have undermined her candidacy had they become public.
Mrs. Clinton comes across less as a firebrand than as a technocrat at home with her powerful audience, willing to be critical of large financial institutions but more inclined to view them as partners in restoring the countrys economic health.
In the excerpts from her paid speeches to financial institutions and corporate audiences, Mrs. Clinton said she dreamed of open trade and open borders throughout the Western Hemisphere. Citing the back-room deal-making and arm-twisting used by Abraham Lincoln, she mused on the necessity of having both a public and a private position on politically contentious issues. Reflecting in 2014 on the rage against political and economic elites that swept the country after the 2008 financial crash, Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that her familys rising wealth had made her kind of far removed from the struggles of the middle class.
The passages were contained in an internal review of Mrs. Clintons paid speeches undertaken by her campaign, which was identifying potential land mines should the speeches become public. They offer a glimpse at one of the most sought-after troves of information in the 2016 presidential race and an explanation, perhaps, for why Mrs. Clinton has steadfastly refused demands by Mr. Sanders and Donald J. Trump, her Republican rival, to release them.
Mrs. Clintons campaign would not confirm the authenticity of the documents. They were released on Friday night by WikiLeaks, the hacker collective founded by the activist Julian Assange, saying that they had come from the email account of John D. Podesta, Mrs. Clintons campaign chairman.
In a statement, a Clinton spokesman, Glen Caplin, pointed to the United States governments findings that Russian officials had used WikiLeaks to hack documents in order to sway the outcome of the presidential election, suggesting that the leak of Mr. Podestas emails was also engineered by Russian officials determined to help Mr. Trump. Mr. Caplin noted that a Twitter message from WikiLeaks promoting the documents had incorrectly identified Mr. Podesta as a co-owner of his brothers lobbying firm.
But Clinton officials did not deny that the email containing the excerpts was real.
The leaked email, dated Jan. 25, does not contain Mrs. Clintons full speeches to the financial firms, leaving it unclear what her overall message was to these audiences.
But in the excerpts, Ms. Clinton demonstrates her long and warm ties to some of Wall Streets most powerful figures. In a discussion in the fall of 2013 with Lloyd Blankfein, a friend who is the chief executive of Goldman Sachs, Mrs. Clinton said that the political climate had made it overly difficult for wealthy people to serve in government.
There is such a bias against people who have led successful and/or complicated lives, Mrs. Clinton said. The pressure on officials to sell or divest assets in order to serve, she added, had become very onerous and unnecessary.
In a separate speech to Goldman Sachs employees the same month, Mrs. Clinton said it was an oversimplification to blame the global financial crisis of 2008 on the U.S. banking system.
It was conventional wisdom, Mrs. Clinton said of the tendency to blame the banking system. And I think that theres a lot that could have been avoided in terms of both misunderstanding and really politicizing what happened.
And she praised a deficit-reduction proposal from President Obamas fiscal commission that called for raising the Social Security retirement age, saying that the commissions leaders had put forth the right framework.
Such comments could have proven devastating to Mrs. Clinton during the Democratic primary fight, when Mr. Sanders promoted himself as the enemy of Wall Street and of a rigged economic system.
Several of the most eye-popping passages ultimately express more nuanced explanations of her views. When Mrs. Clinton describes herself as far removed from average Americans and their finances, she had just finished describing her growing appreciation for how anxiety and even anger in the country over the feeling that the game is rigged. And she reminds the audience that her father loved to complain about big business and big government.
The Clintons have made more than $120 million in speeches to Wall Street and special interests since Bill Clinton left the White House in 2001. Mrs. Clinton typically earned $225,000 for speeches, though she sometimes donated her fees to her family foundation.
I kind of think if youre going to be paid $225,000 for a speech, it must be a fantastic speech, Mr. Sanders said during the primary, a brilliant speech which you would want to share with the American people.
As her race against Mr. Sanders who now campaigns for Mrs. Clinton grew unexpectedly contentious and close, Mrs. Clinton sought to portray herself as deeply skeptical of Wall Street and eager to punish its wayward leaders.
I believe strongly that we need to make sure that Wall Street never wrecks Main Street again, Mrs. Clinton said in January. No bank is too big to fail, and no executive is too powerful to jail.
As she sought to burnish her image as an advocate of working America, Mrs. Clinton declared her opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership, Mr. Obamas 12-nation trade pact, and distanced herself from Nafta, which her husband signed into law.
But in a 2013 speech to a Brazilian bank, Mrs. Clinton took a far different approach. My dream, she said, is a hemispheric common market, with open borders, sometime in the future.
Some of her paid remarks embrace the view that the public can benefit when Wall Street partners with government. When it comes to writing effective financial regulations, Mrs. Clinton said, The people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work in the industry.
Foreign hackers authorized by Russian security agencies, according to national security officials have successfully penetrated the operations of the Democratic Party and its candidates over the past year. They broke into the email servers of the Democratic National Committee, revealing embarrassing internal messages in which party leaders who were supposed to be neutral expressed their preference for Mrs. Clinton even as she was campaigning against Mr. Sanders. And Mr. Assange is an avowed critic of Mrs. Clinton who has made clear that he wishes to hurt her chances of winning the presidency.
Half of all registered voters said it bothered them a lot that Mrs. Clinton had given numerous paid speeches to Wall Street banks, according to a Bloomberg Politics poll in June.
Asked in an interview that month if the practice was self-defeating, given the anger over income inequality, Mrs. Clinton responded that her predecessors as secretary of state had given paid speeches, too.
I actually think it makes sense, she said. Because a lot of people know you have a front-row seat in watching whats going on in the world.
October 10, 2016 at 4:55 am #47288russellnParticipantHi,
yes, all across the spectrum, truth versus illusion. Even things like deferred polling due to floods. Neptune in its own sign of Pisces is dignified – but a dignified planet (principle) is somewhat out of control, being its own boss, doing its own thing. The South node is by definition more negative. Later this month from 22nd until the election day (8th Nov) is full on, then the node axis and Neptune start to move apart as the node moves on. So that equates to last 2 weeks of campaign for election.
Cultivation practice – means letting go of family (south node) stories and the false, untrue. A storm, flood, of truth energy (Neptune as gate to universal)at the tail.
Look carefully if feeling emotional storms – might be justified and needing to be faced. Flushing the false.
Neptune also means psychic channels and tail means exit. Bit of flushing going on there too. All good to keep a weather eye on.
Regards, ROctober 11, 2016 at 3:44 am #47290October 14, 2016 at 3:48 am #47292c_howdyParticipantOctober 17, 2016 at 12:20 am #47294StevenModeratorOctober 17, 2016 at 12:09 pm #47296c_howdyParticipantOctober 23, 2016 at 6:31 pm #47298StevenModeratorOctober 24, 2016 at 8:11 am #47300c_howdyParticipantNoam Chomsky paints his own cynical picture of the conflict in Iraq. The U.S. goal certainly had nothing to do with stopping atrocities, he says, and even less to do with advancing political freedom. The U.S. promotes democracy when its in our strategic and economic interests and opposes democracy when its not. Chomsky continues…
-http://forum.healingtaousa.com/general/message/11386/Plutocracy (from Greek ðëïῦôïò, ploutos, meaning “wealth”, and êñÜôïò, kratos, meaning “power, dominion, rule”) or plutarchy, is a form of oligarchy and defines a society ruled or controlled by the small minority of the wealthiest citizens.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlutocracyThe Divide is a UK/US documentary film directed by British film-maker Katharine Round. It was produced by Katharine Round and Christopher Hird. It is an adaptation of the acclaimed 2009 socio-economic book The Spirit Level by Richard G. Wilkinson and Kate Pickett. The book argues that there are “pernicious effects that inequality has on societies: eroding trust, increasing anxiety and illness, (and) encouraging excessive consumption”.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divide_(2015_film)The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better is a book by Richard G. Wilkinson and Kate Pickett, published in 2009 by Allen Lane. The book is published in the US by Bloomsbury Press (December, 2009) with the new sub-title: Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger. It was then published in a paperback second edition (United Kingdom) in November 2010 by Penguin Books with the subtitle, Why Equality is Better for Everyone
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level:_Why_More_Equal_Societies_Almost_Always_Do_BetterNoam Chomsky on Donald Trump: ‘Almost a death knell for the human species’
As he appears in new documentary The Divide, the great intellectual explains why Brexit is unimportant, why Trumps climate change denial is catastrophic and why revolution is easier than you think
Have you seen The Divide, the British documentary you took part in? The Divide? I havent seen it, no.
Perhaps its been a while since you filmed it? Well, Im interviewed all the time.
The film looks at what it says are the effects of inequality in the US and the UK. Its based on the book The Spirit Level, which perhaps you know? Yes, I remember.
The Divide says the current inequality problem began with the election of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Do you agree? It escalated sharply under Reagan and Thatcher, who gave it a kind of ideological framework, but I think you really have to date the turn to the collapse of the Bretton Woods system about 10 years earlier, when the US terminated the convertibility of dollars to gold. This shifted the global economy pretty radically towards financialisation, and rapidly increased speculation.
In the film, you describe peoples belief in the benefits of capitalism as a kind of religion, adding that what we have is only an illusion of capitalism in any case. But if the world has got so much worse as a result, why doesnt everybody realise? I think people do realise. Just take a look at whats happening in Europe, the US, Latin America and elsewhere. The general public are between angry and totally furious at whats taking place. Thats why you have the collapse of the mainstream political establishment and the rise of what are called populist groups at both ends of the spectrum. Democracy in Europe is collapsing. Decisions are made in Brussels, not by national parliaments, and people know that.
Does this mean youd favour a British exit? Not really. Im unenthusiastic about either, but I think probably the worse choice would be Brexit. My sense is that it would probably turn Britain or maybe England, if Scotland pulls out into even more of a dependency on the US. And there are a lot of good things that have happened in Europe since the second world war. Those should be salvaged, and I think they can be.
So have you become more optimistic now you believe a hunger for change is showing itself around the world? I think we have the seeds of change. They can flourish and address the massive problems we face. They may not. We dont know. Thats a choice. And we havent even talked about the worst problems: the economic problems are bad enough, as are the social problems, but far worse than these are the major threats to the survival of the human species the threat of nuclear war and environmental catastrophe. Here, if you look at the US primaries, you have to be impressed and appalled by the utter irrationality of the species. Here are two enormous problems that have to be faced right now, and they are almost absent from the primaries.
Does it give you any hope that some of the super-rich, such as Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Warren Buffett, are willing to give away most of their money? And youll notice big tax deductions as well. There have always been benevolent aristocrats. That doesnt make me fall in love with the feudal system.
What effect would electing Donald Trump have? Its hard to say because we dont really know what he thinks. And Im not sure he knows what he thinks. Hes perfectly capable of saying contradictory things at the same time. But there are some pretty stable elements of his ideology, if you can even grant him that concept. One of them is: Climate change is not taking place. As he puts it: Forget it. And thats almost a death knell for the species not tomorrow, but the decisions we take now are going to affect things in a couple of decades, and in a couple of generations it could be catastrophic.
If it were between Trump and Hillary Clinton, would you vote for Clinton? If I were in a swing state, a state that matters, and the choice were Clinton or Trump, I would vote against Trump. And by arithmetic that means hold your nose and vote for Clinton.
You talk about capitalism, politics and inequality a lot. Do you ever tire of it? Do you ever wish someone would ask you about something else? Well, from my point of view, there are two major categories of issues. There are the kind that are humanly important but intellectually pretty shallow. There are the kind that are intellectually quite deep and challenging, but dont have the immediate human significance. If I had my choice, Id rather stay on the second, but unfortunately the world wont go away.
Do you not feel youve had enough sometimes? Its like seeing a child in the street and a truck coming rapidly. Do you say, Look, Im too busy thinking about interesting questions, so Ill let the truck kill the child? Or do you go out into the street and pull the child back?
But if it was another child, every day, for decades? It doesnt matter. I remember the philosopher Bertrand Russell was asked why he spent his time protesting against nuclear war and getting arrested on demonstrations. Why didnt he continue to work on the serious philosophical and logical problems which have major intellectual significance? And his answer was pretty good. He said: Look, if I and others like me only work on those problems, there wont be anybody around to appreciate it or be interested.
What would you like to see happen, in that case? I would like to see serious and significant steps made to put an end to the use of fossil fuels, to create sustainable energy systems and to save the world as much as we can from likely environmental catastrophe. I would move very quickly towards de-escalating military confrontations, which are quite serious, and move towards fulfilling our legal obligation to rid the world of nuclear weapons. I would like countries to become democracies, not plutocracies.
How do you turn a plutocracy into a democracy? Its not very hard. In the US, it simply means going back to mainstream ideas. To quote John Dewey, the leading US social philosopher of the 20th century, until all institutions industrial, commercial, media, others are under democratic control, or in the hands of what we now call stakeholders, politics will be the shadow cast by big business over society. Thats elementary and it can be done.
October 28, 2016 at 10:49 am #47302c_howdyParticipant…to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information available to the professional investing public…
-http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifestoWe have written frequently in recent weeks about a feud that erupted between Chelsea Clinton and Doug Band back in 2011 after Chelsea raised concerns about potential conflicts of interest between Band’s firm, Teneo, the Clinton Foundation and the State Department (see here, here, here and here). The feud ultimately resulted in Band being forced to draft a memo spelling out, in vivid detail, the many entangled relationships between himself, Teneo, the Clinton Foundation and the State Department. Fortunately, today’s Wikileaks dump included that memo which reveals, for the first time, the precise financial flows between the Clinton Foundation, Bands firm Teneo Consulting, and the Clinton familys private business endeavors. The memo starts with a brief background on Teneo, which was created in June 2011, shortly after Declan Kelly resigned from his position as “United States Economic Envoy to Northern Ireland,” a position to which he was appointed by Secretary Clinton…
October 29, 2016 at 6:50 am #47304c_howdyParticipanthttp://nypost.com/2016/10/28/new-clinton-emails-found-during-anthony-weiner-sexting-probe/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner_sexting_scandals
American politician Anthony Weiner, former member of the United States House of Representatives from New York City, has been involved in three sexual scandals related to sexting, or sending explicit sexual material by cell phone. The first, sometimes dubbed Weinergate, led to his resignation as a congressman in 2011. The second, during his attempt to return to politics as candidate for mayor of New York City, involved three women Weiner admitted having sexted after further explicit pictures were published in July 2013. The third, in 2015 but publicized in 2016, resulted in an announced intended separation between him and his wife, Huma Abedin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner_sexting_scandals
October 31, 2016 at 8:48 am #47306c_howdyParticipant…Kristin Davis run an elite prostitution ring from her high rise apartment…it was located a few blocks from the New York Stock Exchange…
Q:How many clients?
A:Around 10000 at that point in time.
November 1, 2016 at 8:23 pm #47308russellnParticipantPS for Elephant and post about sexual energy. The Neptune South Node of Moon is very strong around 20th. South Node has Moon and sexual essence theme. It might be hitting some point in your chart too. I’m finding the need to refine jing is strong but it messed me up with Kundalini type symptoms (energy surges upward, vomiting, yelling etc – lucky I can be away from others while all this going on). Makes me wonder if doing more greater and greatest Kan and Li practice would mean less need for surge. Trying to handle with energy close to physical body alone seems to give trouble. Neptune in this place means retreat and process but not overdo anything. Neptune has a meaning for each of us in natal chart and currently big call to release something as South Node is exit and entry point. Point of ones birth family. Neptune dissolving something. It is all tied in with eclipse point too, adding oomph.
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