February 10, 2010 at 8:13 pm #33223
Freedom from oil?
Side question to Michael W.:
What is the power source of your new engine?
Ever consider water?February 11, 2010 at 4:03 am #33224
Is it what we really want?
Having same cars, same traffic jams on ways to the same jobs, same inhumane distances inside human dwellings (impossible to walk over), same highway spiderwebs across the land. But with a hydrogen inside our reservoirs and a little bit cleaner (and maybe mor humid) air around our cities. A few new river dams, coal and nuke power stations should surely be handy for making this hydrogen out of electricity.
There is possibly a tone of cynicism in my post, but please note that it’s not directed toward you, Steven, but towards all these new ”solutions” that keep us in the same mind frame all the time.
Maybe it’s off the topic, but I’ll try to be constructive here and offer my vision of what is invention and what kind of person is a real inventor. Just read the ‘Quotes’ part:
With best regards,
OgnjenFebruary 11, 2010 at 12:06 pm #33226
The idea for homes is to have a closed loop battery system for a house. A outside power source powers an electrolyzer that slits water into H2 O. The two gases can then be reunited in a fuel cell to generate electricity for your home or electric car. But you only need a battery in a house if you use Solar as Solar is unreliable. It might work out as a battery in cars, maybe. But I say drink the water let our car and house eat something else. The push pull power of the interaction between the sun and moon is where it is at. Or the power under our feet deep flowing from the heart of the earth. The power is not up high but down bellow in the sexual center. People want to get off the grid but I say change how owns the grid, and change the power that is flowing through it. It also does not shock me to see the west look to the sun as savior. 😉
p.s. My family has pictures of my great grand mother with her Electric car. It was a real eye opener.February 11, 2010 at 7:35 pm #33228
Don’t worry. I generally don’t take offense to much.
Usually it’s the other way around 😉
I.E. others get offended and/or take things personally
during an involved discussion, LOL.
As if my commentary on a particular discussion is
somehow a reflection of my opinion of them as individuals.
I generally only argue with people I like.
People I don’t like, I ignore and avoid.
Be as cynical as you like. It won’t bother me any 🙂
Just likewise don’t take any of my comments as
personal commentary on you ^_^
On to your comments . . .
I’m all in favor of having some real visionary thinking
implemented. But the problem is, very few “visionary
thinkers” actually DO anything to make their dreams
become a reality. Just dreamers with no real change
occurring. People have been dreaming for thousands of
years of a better society, and many have had ideas, but
rarely to never is such a vision implemented and
proliferated. They just bemoan the fact that people
aren’t connected to their hearts, and meanwhile live
disconnected from reality.
Realistically, such people need to act as “engineers”
and have their stuff proliferate and infiltrate society
if the change they envision were to become reality.
Except for people who work on themselves spiritually and
try to attune to a higher level, for the most part
people just keep doing the same thing as what they are
doing. It requires EFFORT to do anything different.
People, as a collective, follow the path of LEAST RESISTANCE.
Unless a change is EASY (as in proliferation and availability)
or MANDATORY (as in either due to cataclysm or by tyranny),
people will not deviate from what they are accustomed.
A person can want or dream something different all they like,
but unless one of those two conditions happen, society
will continue status quo while they continue to dream.
The advantages of the personal hydrogen generator are many.
1. It’s better than nothing, i.e. no change; or just
dreams of change.
2. It’s cleaner–basically using just water and electrical
power which could be generated via solar, wind, etc. not
3. Possible drastic reduction or even elimination of
dependence on foreign oil. Terrorist cells etc. in the
middle east are all pissed at the west for a number of
reasons, one being that we are on their land. But we
are not getting off their land, because their oil is
too vital to our economy. An unfortunate situation.
However, remove the need for foreign oil, and we can
basically give them all the MIDDLE FINGER, and let them
live without our “interference” and without a steady
stream of our money–let them fall into poverty in their
arid barren countryside, and watch them either start
living peacefully and/or start to pick themselves up and
start acting like adults rather than violent spoiled
4. I don’t know about other citizens, but as for me,
I’m not getting rid of my car anytime soon. Unless
I become a year-round hermit, I need my car to access
different parts of the country–i.e. Healing Tao Retreats
and seminars which are not in my state, the Hermitage
I go to (again not in my state), also to visit family who
don’t live near me, not to mention the University I
study and work at (I don’t live on campus, it’s far too
noisy with loud, drunken young students) etc.
Not to mention that I would rather drive than fly for
a number of reasons: ONE, the airline industry treats
its customers like cattle–pack as many seats into an airplane
as possible so each passenger is packed in like a sardine can,
then give crappy service, and nickel-and-dime its passengers for
checked bags, food, pillows and blankets even!, and fly people
in machines that are past their service time; no thank
you. I’ll only use them if forced, as in overseas travel,
or maybe east coast to west coast travel etc.; secondly,
I LIKE DRIVING. It’s peaceful. It’s like a form of
meditation, and I enjoy the scenery.
I do walk regularly, but if it’s not practical or
if it’s too far to walk, I’m going to drive.
Other people aren’t going to give up their cars either.
So, if cars are going to be around, you may as well
create technologies that minimize pollution, conserve
energy, and eliminate dependence on oil.
Have a better plan?
Then get it implemented.
Actively have it proliferated and infiltrated into
society so that change happens.
I’m all for it.
But something now is better than a vision which never happens.
SFebruary 11, 2010 at 7:48 pm #33230
>>>But I say drink the water let our car
>>>and house eat something else. The push pull
>>>power of the interaction between the sun
>>>and moon is where it is at. Or the power
>>>under our feet deep flowing from the heart
>>>of the earth. The power is not up high but
>>>down bellow in the sexual center. People
>>>want to get off the grid but I say change
>>>how owns the grid, and change the power
>>>that is flowing through it.
How do you tap this power practically and
for external uses? How do we implement it?
How do we proliferate it?
>>>It also does not shock me to see the
>>>west look to the sun as savior. 😉
Which SON do you mean? 😉
I’ve always wondered if Christianity was just
a mistake in eavesdropping. People overheard
others talking about worshipping the sun, and
they got the homonym wrong. J/K.
>>>My family has pictures of my great grand mother
>>>with her Electric car. It was a real eye opener.
Great-grandmother, huh? That’s a real surprise.
You don’t have a lot of teen pregnancies in your
family history, do you Dog?
I’m just kidding, of course. 😉
Don’t take offense.
Certain things I guess are taking longer (or never)
to realize than people thought. I mean, here it
is, 2010. Where are the rocket jet packs and
flying cars I was promised? LOL. All we
really have are these stupid pocket electronic
devices that “everyone has to have”, but ultimately
are worthless toys. Not that the rocket jet
packs would have been any better, mind you. 😉
StevenFebruary 11, 2010 at 7:51 pm #33232February 11, 2010 at 9:02 pm #33234
My theory is that the HYBRID killed the electric car.
I remember being in car showrooms containing gasoline cars,
electric cars, and hybrid cars.
The salesman was really promoting the hybrid.
He argued that the hybrid had the advantages of the
electric car, but could drive long distances because
of being backed-up by gasoline and said you didn’t have
to worry about charging stations. He made it seem like
only an idiot would choose the electric over the hybrid.
Now we have plenty of hybrids, no electrics.
I think it was the hybrid that did it in.
The hydrogen powered car via the home personal generator
may work because the generator looks portable; a main
problem with the electric–you need charging after a 100 miles
or so. Not so good for long distance travel.
SFebruary 12, 2010 at 3:50 am #33236
It’s good not to take impersonal things personally. Simple as that 🙂
As for what’s written:
“””””1.It’s better than nothing, i.e. no change; or just
dreams of change. “””””
“”””2. It’s cleaner–basically using just water and electrical
power which could be generated via solar, wind, etc. not
using oil. “”””
Dreams o change, of course, don’t cook the water, but ‘some’ change might postpone the solution to a times when problem will be a little less solvable. For example, inventing new Hi-tec source of energy that will make us even more dependent on the whole technological process. Don’t forget that it’s a really big process and that involves much real suffering – physical, mental, emotional and spiritual – on the side of those not so well positioned inside of this technological Leviathan. It also involves over-exploitation of the Earth.
We should radically lessen our needs for energy, not invent new sources for the same expenditure.
Link to Wikipedia I posted in my previous post is about a man who really lived his ”invention”, and did so for many years. He also spread his knowledge through various means…
I’s just he didn’t reached for more, he pulled back for less. And that doesn’t make him a ”New Bill Gates” (Like that Taras guy in the video).
As for ”terrorists”, I’m not so sure that every one of their groups isn’t to some degree controlled by major governments, i.e. that they serve a purpose of inner and outer control and as an excuse for all these wars (again, internal and over the seas). But that’s a whole new subject and let’s not go too much in that direction…
On some days I go to work by car, on others by public transportation (bus). Believe me, you can shut your eyes when you’re on the bus seat and thus make your meditation deeper 😉
I plan to go to some remote mountain parts this summer and I will try to use my car as little as possible. Otherwise, the mountain might just become another commodity.
And as for implementation, I’m waiting for spring to come. Wish me luck!
OgnjenFebruary 12, 2010 at 3:52 am #33238February 12, 2010 at 5:29 am #33240February 12, 2010 at 12:08 pm #33242
There are already countries that tap this power practically. Often government run, such as Iceland’s Geothermal. If I was Obama and people where trying to give me responsibility for Jobs and clean power I would try to also get the power. As in we need to nationalize or return to states and towns the control over resources. Corporations are competing governments, aligned to greed (and control), not fairness, human rights and acceptance. Corporate and banking cartels are not designed for peaceful change and adaptability. They are what will frustrate people in there efforts for change. Take the Corporate controlled Iran that uses religious (old trick) control to develop nuclear weapons. If I where them I would take the nationalized oil and sell in to China and create sustainable energy systems with all the new wealth. Just one example.February 12, 2010 at 12:18 pm #33244
They will improve mileage, we can have electric recharge stations, and if we ever solve the airline issues, or Warren Buffets investment(of course there is something weird about this(are we being pushed to trains)) in trains pays off, people will not take their cars on very long trips.February 12, 2010 at 12:31 pm #33246
Hey Welcome Back!!!
Good to see you again. 🙂
Very interesting article; I agree with
much of what was written there. It is
very likely we are heading for change,
via economic cataclysm . . . the result
of years of excess rampant consumerism,
wanton reckless spending beyond our means,
failure to innovate, and overreaching
global imperialism. It will surprise
me none. China is already positioning
itself to be the new dominant empire. In
some ways, it already is; most people just
haven’t realized it yet.
SFebruary 12, 2010 at 1:08 pm #33248
I really don’t think trains are ever really going
to be big here. Our country is just too big, and
trains only travel in a one-dimensional line . . .
I.E. They are not very flexible or convenient,
and this is a major reason why every decade we see
train use (for passenger travel) decrease. It’s a
dying transit system. Only really useful in major
metropolises in the form of underground subways.
>>>people will not take their cars on very long trips.
You don’t know me very well. I drive from Michigan
to North Carolina several times per year, last year
once out to Boston, and yearly outside the state otherwise.
When I took a month-long vacation to Alaska in 2006,
I DROVE TO ALASKA. It took 7 days to get there. I
loved every minute of it–seeing things that I wouldn’t
have seen or discovered if locked into an airplane trip,
cruise, or plans by a travel agent. There are plenty
of other people like me also.
I consider my car as a mechanical extension of myself, and
don’t see giving it up anytime soon.
As for the electric recharge stations you mention, your
YouTube video showed how successful that turned out; killed
by lack of initiative and through greed of mega-corporations.
SFebruary 12, 2010 at 1:12 pm #33250
>>>Corporations are competing governments, aligned to
>>>greed (and control), not fairness, human rights and
>>>acceptance. Corporate and banking cartels are not
>>>designed for peaceful change and adaptability.
>>>They are what will frustrate people in there efforts for change.
I agree to some extent.
But how you do stop that? They have the power.
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