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June 28, 2015 at 8:46 pm #44478ribosome777Participant
“…thanks to the phenomenon of female mate choice copying, in which females prefer males that they’ve seen engaged in sex. (“Displaying mating behavior conveys information not only about a male’s readiness to mate, but also mate quality, as performance is associated with costs,” the authors write.)…
usually female mate choice copying occurs after observing heterosexual couplings…
Female mate choice copying has been observed in animals ranging from fruit flies to birds to humans…
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Non-genetic changes to gene expression are called epi-marks, for epigenetics, the field of research dealing with the molecular on/off switches. Epi-marks are normally erased between generations, but there’s recent evidence that they’re sometimes passed from parent to child.
Researchers at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis (NIMBioS) looked at how epi-marks that influence testosterone sensitivity in the womb might contribute to homosexuality. Late in pregnancy, natural variations in testosterone levels can alter a fetus’ sexual development. Sex-specific epi-marks protect female fetuses from masculinization in the presence of too much testosterone; boys are protected from feminization if too little testosterone is present.
According to computer modeling by the group, testosterone-buffering epi-marks passed from a parent to an opposite-sex offspring may result in the reverse effect: Girls who inherit sex-specific instructions from their fathers will be partially masculinized, while boys who get epi-marks from their mothers will be partially feminized. In this model, homosexuality occurs when stronger-than-average epi-marks influencing sexual preference from an opposite-sex parent escape erasure and are then paired with weaker-than-average sex-specific epi-marks produced in opposite-sex offspring.
The model suggests that sex-specific epi-marks have survived because they’re highly beneficial for parents’ fitness and are only infrequently passed on to offspring, where they may reduce reproductive fitness….”
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-12/being-born-gay-isnt-your-genes-its-them
June 29, 2015 at 4:14 am #44479c_howdyParticipantThe Parable of the Burning House appears in Chapter 3 ( the Hiyu Chapter ) of the Lotus Sutra. In this parable a scenario is presented where children are in great danger in a house on fire…
-http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/buddhism/parable_burning_house.htmlexcessive or unrestrained gratification of one’s own appetites, desires, or whims
-http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/self-indulgenceThe ecological footprint is a measure of human demand on the Earth’s ecosystems. It is a standardized measure of demand for natural capital that may be contrasted with the planet’s ecological capacity to regenerate. It represents the amount of biologically productive land and sea area necessary to supply the resources a human population consumes, and to assimilate associated waste. Using this assessment, it is possible to estimate how much of the Earth (or how many planet Earths) it would take to support humanity if everybody followed a given lifestyle. For 2007, humanity’s total ecological footprint was estimated at 1.5 planet Earths; that is, humanity uses ecological services 1.5 times as quickly as Earth can renew them. Every year, this number is recalculated to incorporate the three-year lag due to the time it takes for the UN to collect and publish statistics and relevant research.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprintScarcity is the fundamental economic problem of having seemingly unlimited human wants in a world of limited resources. It states that society has insufficient productive resources to fulfill all human wants and needs. A common misconception on scarcity is that an item has to be important for it to be scarce, or vice versa. This is not true; for something to be scarce, something must be given up, or traded off, in order to obtain it.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScarcityAsceticism (/əˈsɛtɪsɪzᵊm/; from the Greek: ἄσκησις áskēsis, “exercise” or “training”) describes a lifestyle characterized by abstinence from worldly pleasures, often for the purpose of pursuing spiritual goals. Many religious traditions, such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism advocate restraint with respect to actions of body, speech, and mind. These religions teach that a deeper level of satisfaction and fulfillment is to be found than that offered by sensual pleasures and therefore promote the value of abstaining from these common, ordinary pleasures in the pursuit of acquiring deep inner peace. The founders and earliest practitioners of these religions eschewed worldly pleasures and led an abstinent lifestyle, not as a rejection of the enjoyment of life or because the practices themselves are virtuous, but as an aid in the pursuit of such inner peace.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AsceticismThey also had last week Helsinki Pride 2015, but personally I have never been present there even by chance.
In my opinion it’s not only a matter of being tolerant or intolerant…
… because in the end my personal ideal is quite extreme ascetism, so many characteristics of this LGBT movement would seem to be about self-indulgence and vanity.
If somebody says that it’s not possible to change one’s sexual orientation, then this means that restraining one’s senses in yogic sense (pratyahara) is impossible.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDY
June 29, 2015 at 3:03 pm #44481StevenModeratorMy personal view is that ascetics miss the mark. They are over-controlling through their relentless insistence and/or drive that things should a go a “certain way” (decided by some ego-based mental idea), in contrast to natural impulse. In my view, it is a rigidity and inflexibility of ideas that is characteristic of an earth imbalance.
The healthy approach is one of submitting to desires as they arise (provided they don’t harm others in a liberty sense) and without submitting to them *in excess*.
In short, I think there is a healthy balance point between hedonism and asceticism: one that is based in moderation and suggested to one individually by the lifeforce.
As for using “restraint” for sexual orientation there is a big question as to “why” . . .
Exercising such restraint, in my view, is completely unimportant and irrelevant. Even if someone with same-sex attractions were also an obsessive-compulsive control freak (oops, I meant to say “ascetic”) and that person worked toward withholding same-sex urges, why would that follow that they could (or should) develop an attraction to the opposite sex (either as a consequence of their asceticism or through separate work entirely)?
As an example: I hate mayonnaise. I think it tastes disgusting, and I hate it with a passion. There is no way I would develop an attraction to it, nor do I wish to even try. Others–on the other hand–love it!
What is to be taken from this? Am I crazy for hating it, or are they crazy for loving it? Or does it simply not matter in the slightest?
Clearly, it doesn’t matter in the slightest. Similarly, why should people with same-sex attraction try to withhold it, just because it makes some people with opposite-sex attraction uncomfortable? I don’t try to ban people from eating mayonnaise–nor do I cast a judgment on those that like it–just because I find it repulsive. Similarly, someone with same-sex attractions shouldn’t need to withhold their expression of it, simply because some others don’t enjoy that. A person has the right to do what they wish, but that does not mean that a person has the right to be free from being offended or free from being exposed to things they don’t like. They latter is simply a whining cry-baby. “Things aren’t going the way ‘I ego’ have in my mind decided they should go. Cry. Cry. Whine. Whine.”
In any case, people deserve to have the freedom to find someone they can be truly happy with (if both are consenting adults).
But I have segued from the main point about homosexuality:
It is only a mental idea from the mind that says that “homosexuality is wrong and should be changed”. It is a side fact that approximately 10% of the population is left-handed, with no real important reason why, and no real important reason to change it. Similarly, approximately 10% of the population is gay, with no real important reason why, and no real important reason to change it (procreation is not a reason: we have between 7-8 billion people on the earth, and we hardly need more).
Honestly, whether someone is gay or not: who gives a fuck?
If you have a problem with it, it is YOUR problem, not anyone else’s.
I recommend you worry about your own life, and less about what others are doing.S
June 29, 2015 at 6:10 pm #44483c_howdyParticipantYoga is a vast system of spiritual practices for inner growth. To this end, the classical yoga system incorporates eight limbs, each with its own place and function. Of these, pratyahara is probably the least known. How many people, even yoga teachers, can define pratyahara? Have you ever taken a class in pratyahara? Have you ever seen a book on pratyahara? Can you think of several important pratyahara techniques? Do you perform pratyahara as part of your yogic practices? Yet unless we understand pratyahara, we are missing an integral aspect of yoga without which the system cannot work.
-http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/H%20-%20World%20Religions%20and%20Poetry/World%20Religions/From%20the%20Indian%20Tradition/Teachers%20from%20the%20Indian%20Tradition/David%20Frawley/Pratyahara%20-%20the%20Forgotten%20Limb/Pratyahara%20the%20Forgotten%20Limb%20of%20Yoga.htmSorry for my broken English.
Personally I represent no-one in intolerance in any form.
Yoga is demanding.
Neutralisng is a practical matter.
HOWDY
Ps. pratyahara=>dharana
June 30, 2015 at 4:26 pm #44485frechtlingParticipantWell said! I love the mayonnaise analogy…
July 1, 2015 at 4:51 pm #44487c_howdyParticipanthttp://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/30/study-finds-emotions-can-be-mapped-to-the-body
A new Finnish study looks at how changes in our bodies could shape how we experience emotions.
By Shannon Firth
Dec. 30, 2013 | 5:05 p.m. EST
Witnessing two lovers reunite on screen elicits feelings of happiness. Watching someone throw up triggers feelings of disgust. It’s generally accepted that these emotions are categorically distinct from one another in our minds and new research shows our bodily responses to specific emotions may also be distinct. The study was published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences.
What triggers conscious emotional feelings has long been a topic of debate among scientists. “We often get a sensation of ‘I am happy now or I am sad now.’ So where do these [feelings] arise from?” asks Dr. Lauri Nummenmaa, assistant professor in Cognitive Neuroscience at the Aalto University School of Science in Finland. Uncovering the source of physical activity is what Nummenmaa sought to accomplish.
Some scholars believe that a feeling of anger, for example, triggers changes in our body’s responses and that when we become aware of these changes, that awareness actually helps us to construct conscious representations of a feeling, says Nummenmaa.
“We often think the emotions are something that happen only in the mind, but there’s also lots of evidence suggesting that they also happen in our bodies,” says Nummenmaa. In order to understand whether anger is qualitatively different from happiness at the body level, and not just the mind level, Nummenmaa had to design the right type of study.
This mind-body connection isn’t news to scientists. However, there is still disagreement over whether changes in body activity associated with certain emotions are specific enough to be identified as “discrete emotional feelings” and whether these sensations actually contribute to the conscious emotional experience.
“Our data show bodily sensations associated with different emotions are so specific that, in fact, they could at least in theory contribute significantly to the conscious feeling of the corresponding emotion,” says Nummenmaa.
Dr. Antonio Damasio, director of the Brain and Creativity Institute at the University of Southern California, and an expert in consciousness, said the study provided compelling evidence to support his and his colleagues claims “that the content of emotion is largely based on the perception of body states.”
The Finnish researchers studied 701 subjects, asking them what they felt in their bodies as they experienced 13 different basic and complex emotions. Nummenmaa and his colleagues used four different experiments involving between 36 and 302 subjects for each. In the first experiment, researchers simply asked subjects which body sensations they associated with certain emotions. In two other experiments, subjects watched excerpts from Hollywood movies and read stories that were meant to induce specific emotions. In the last experiment they showed subjects pictures of facial expressions that appeared happy, sad or some type of other emotion, and asked the subjects to judge how people in the pictures would feel in their bodies.
The subjects were shown two silhouettes of the human figure on a computer. On one figure they were asked to color in areas of the body where activity increased. On the second figure, they colored in the areas of the body where activity decreased.
Using warm and cool colors, the body maps reflect the subjects’ bodily experience of an emotion. As these images indicate, feeling happiness increased activity throughout the body and particularly in, the chest area and head. This might reflect an increased heart rate and more rapid breathing, the study noted. In contrast, feelings of depression were marked entirely in black and blue, the cool colors reflecting an overall decrease in bodily responses. Nummenmaa clarified that the subjects, according to their own report, were all healthy. The experiment reflected feelings of depression and not a clinically diagnosed state.
From an evolutionary perspective, emotions developed as a way to draw organisms either away from trouble or towards positive, pleasurable events, says Nummenmaa. Seen in this context, the similarities in the body maps of anger and happiness make sense, according to the study. Representations of both emotions show increased activity in the arms and to a lesser extent the feet. Both anger and happiness are approach-related emotions as opposed to avoidance-related emotions such as fear or disgust. So an increase in activity in the arms and feet seems fitting.
For Nummenmaa, one of the most surprising results of the study was the consistency he found across Eastern and Western cultures. The study included subjects from Finland, Sweden, and Taiwan. “So it seems to be unrelated to the cultural background that the individual has pointing towards a biological basis for these bodily responses related emotions.”
While it is too soon to draw any implications for treatment based on this study alone, Nummenmaa see the potential of using body maps as a diagnostic tool.
“We could then help clinicians to more accurately differentiate between different types of [emotional] disorders.” he says.
In the future, Nummenmaa hopes to explore the same emotional activity in children and in subjects from other cultures.
July 2, 2015 at 12:11 am #44489c_howdyParticipanthttp://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/31/us/ohio-transgender-teen-suicide/
By Ashley Fantz, CNN
(CNN)When Josh Alcorn voiced a desire to live as a girl, the Ohio teenager’s parents said they wouldn’t stand for that.
“We don’t support that, religiously,” Alcorn’s mother told CNN on Wednesday, her voice breaking. “But we told him that we loved him unconditionally. We loved him no matter what. I loved my son. People need to know that I loved him. He was a good kid, a good boy.”
Crossing out the name “Josh,” the 17-year-old signed the name “Leelah” in a suicide note posted to Tumblr.
The note was programmed to publish after Alcorn’s death Sunday. The teenager was struck by a tractor-trailer on Interstate 71 about 2:15 a.m., about four miles from home in the tiny town of Kings Mills, northeast of Cincinnati.
The Ohio State Highway Patrol is investigating the death as a suicide.
“Please don’t be sad, it’s for the better. The life I would’ve lived isn’t worth living in … because I’m transgender,” the note said. “I could go into detail explaining why I feel that way, but this note is probably going to be lengthy enough as it is. To put it simply, I feel like a girl trapped in a boy’s body, and I’ve felt that way ever since I was 4. I never knew there was a word for that feeling, nor was it possible for a boy to become a girl, so I never told anyone and I just continued to do traditionally ‘boyish’ things to try to fit in.”
The teenager’s death has ignited intensely emotional reactions across social media. The hashtag #LeelahAlcorn is carrying messages of support for all transgender people. Many posts are hateful and vengeful notes directed at the teen’s parents.
In her interview with CNN, Carla Alcorn referred to her child as her son and used male pronouns.
After the death, a Facebook post apparently from Carla Alcorn said her child “went home to heaven this morning. He was out for an early morning walk and was hit by a truck. Thank you for the messages and kindness and concern you have sent our way. Please continue to keep us in your thoughts.”
Some on social media have seized on that post and reposted her message, crossing out the male pronouns and the name Josh and replacing them with female pronouns and the name Leelah.
‘He just quit talking about it’
In Leelah’s note, she explains that when she was 14, she first understood what transgender meant and “cried of happiness.”
“After 10 years of confusion I finally understood who I was. I immediately told my mom, and she reacted extremely negatively, telling me that it was a phase, that I would never truly be a girl, that God doesn’t make mistakes, that I am wrong. If you are reading this, parents, please don’t tell this to your kids,” the note says. “Even if you are Christian or are against transgender people don’t ever say that to someone, especially your kid. That won’t do anything but make them hate them self. That’s exactly what it did to me.”
Carla Alcorn told CNN that her child was depressed and that counselors and a psychiatrist gave the teenager medication.
“He just quit talking about (being transgender),” she said.
She worried Wednesday that hateful messages directed toward her and her husband are making them out to be “horrible people,” she said. She has other children, she said, and they are incredibly sad about losing a sibling.
She said that there has not been a service for the teen because people have threatened to protest.
Her child came to her only once to talk about being transgender, Carla Alcorn insisted.
The first time she heard the name Leelah was on the teen’s suicide note.
“He never said that name before,” she said.
‘The cruelty of loneliness’
Leelah’s suicide note, however, says she struggled for a long time to gain her parents’ acceptance as a transgender teen.
“My mom started taking me to a therapist, but would only take me to christian therapists, (who were all very biased) so I never actually got the therapy I needed to cure me of my depression. I only got more christians telling me that I was selfish and wrong and that I should look to God for help.”
At 16, she wrote that she realized her “parents would never come around” and that she would have to wait until she was 18 to start any kind of medical treatment to transition to being a female.
That, she said, “absolutely broke my heart. … I felt hopeless, that I was just going to look like a man in drag for the rest of my life.”
Carla Alcorn recalled her teen asking for transition surgery.
She told her child no, she said, because “we didn’t have the money for anything like that.”
In her suicide note, Leelah said she cried herself to sleep that night.
Leelah told her friends she was transgender.
She came out as gay at school, a move that was supported by friends but made her parents angry, she wrote.
“They wanted me to be their perfect little straight christian boy, and that’s obviously not what I wanted.”
Carla Alcorn said that she took away her child’s access to social media because the teen was looking at “inappropriate” things on the Internet but would not say what those things were.
Leelah describes what it was like to not have social media to connect with friends: “This was probably the part of my life when I was the most depressed, and I’m surprised I didn’t kill myself. I was completely alone for 5 months. No friends, no support, no love. Just my parents’ disappointment and the cruelty of loneliness.”
It all began to feel like too much weight to the teenager, she wrote. Convinced she had few friends, and feeling the pressure of saving enough money to move out of her home, keep her grades up and face people at church who she felt had only judgment for her, she decided to end her life.
“I’m never going to find a man who loves me,” she wrote. “I’m never going to be happy.”
Give all of her things and money to the transgender civil rights movement and to transgender support groups, Leelah instructed.
“The only way I will rest in peace is if one day transgender people aren’t treated the way I was, they’re treated like humans, with valid feelings and human rights. Gender needs to be taught about in schools, the earlier the better. My death needs to mean something. My death needs to be counted in the number of transgender people who commit suicide this year. … Fix society. Please.”
July 2, 2015 at 4:00 am #44491c_howdyParticipantThe term pratyahara is composed of two Sanskrit words, prati and ahara. Ahara means “food,” or “anything we take into ourselves from the outside.” Prati is a preposition meaning “against” or “away.” Pratyahara means literally “control of ahara,” or “gaining mastery over external influences.” It is compared to a turtle withdrawing its limbs into its shell the turtles shell is the mind and the senses are the limbs. The term is usually translated as “withdrawal from the senses,” but much more is implied. In yogic thought there are three levels of ahara, or food. The first is physical food that brings in the five elements necessary to nourish the body. The second is impressions, which bring in the subtle substances necessary to nourish the mind the sensations of sound, touch, sight, taste, and smell. The third level of ahara is our associations, the people we hold at heart level who serve to nourish the soul and affect us with the gunas of sattva, rajas, and tamas.
-DAVID FRAWLEY, Pratyahara: the Forgotten Limb of YogaActually these three types of food are normal food stuff, air to be breathed and impressions.
Frawley’s notice concerning the third type of food is misconception.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDY
July 4, 2015 at 11:12 am #44493c_howdyParticipantOn hinoto-ushi (sexagenary “fire ox”) day[a] [24th day of the 5th month, Mommu 3 (June 26, 699 AD)], En no Kimi Ozunu was banished to Izu no Shima. Ozunu had first lived in Mount Katsuragi and been acclaimed for his sorcery and was the teacher of Outer Junior 5th Rank Lower Grade Karakuni no Muraji Hirotari (ja). Later, [a person (or Hirotari?)] envied his power and accused him of trickery with his weird magic. [The Imperial Court] banished him far [from the Capital]. Rumor says, “Ozunu was able to manipulate demonic spirits, making them draw water and gather firewood. When they disobeyed, he bound them using sorcery.”
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_no_Gy%C5%8DjaIn ancient times, the Sealing of the Five Senses involved both Taoist Inner Alchemy and physical sealing of the sensory organs to prepare the master for extended periods of astral travel and meditation, during which he would remain completely motionless for years at a time. In modern times, physical sealing of the senses with wax is no longer required; however, in order to accumulate profound energy and gather cosmic light for the immortal spirit body one must stop the energy losses that occur through the senses.
-http://www.universal-tao.com/products/sealing_of_the_five_senses.html…exercising such restraint, in my view, is completely unimportant and irrelevant…
Sorry I haven’t seriously meant that somebody should change his or her sexual orientation.
I only have impression that sexual orientation is often so dominating part of the personality that there isn’t any possibilty to make real development meditationally.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDY
July 4, 2015 at 8:48 pm #44495c_howdyParticipantThroughout the book, Dirac’s work and his unusual personality is explored, with his reservedness, apparent lack of empathy, and relentless literal-mindedness leading way to several humorous anecdotes. For example, when approached by two graduate students, while on a brief visit to Berkeley, Dirac sat through a brief presentation about their work on quantum field theory, bracing themselves for his perceptive comments, there was a long silence, after which Dirac asked them “Where is the post office?” Offering to take him there, the students suggested that he could give them his thoughts on their presentation, to which Dirac replied, “I can’t do two things at once.”
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strangest_Man#Overviewa feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
-http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisythe power to make your own choices or decisions
-http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/volitionIn Hindu philosophy, the word, Sâkshî or ‘witness’ refers to the ‘Pure Awareness’ that witnesses the world but does not get affected or involved. Sakshi is beyond time, space and the triad of experiencer, experiencing and experienced; sakshi witnesses all thoughts, words and deeds without interfering with them or being affected by them.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakshi_(Witness)…real bhava means establishing a relationship with the Divine and maintaining it brightly in our consciousness at all times, “whether eating, drinking, sitting or sleeping.”
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhava…one of my uncles was a lama there and performed pu-jas in the Gyalpo temple for two or three years. In the end he had a very strong illness, his energy became disordered and he had a great many problems. I know three other lamas who performed pujas in the same temple and one after another each of them went mad. This was the influence of the Gyalpo. Sometimes it seems that for a short while the practice of Gyalpo helps that is why many people do the Gyalpo puja but in the real sense they get disturbed later on because when someone is connected with the Gyalpo, they are transformed and become subject to them. When these people die they become part of the class of Gyalpo. The life of a Gyalpo may last for five or six thousand years so for that reason it is considered something very negative.
-CHÖGYAL NAMKHAI NORBU RINPOCHE, Provocations of the GyalpoAlchemy practice fuses the diverse spirits in the Immortal Fetus so that they again work as a team and ascend back to heaven via the spiritual body while retaining consciousness. The path of immortality thus represent the journey to the heavens. We come from the immaterial into the material realm, and our immortal journey is to return back to the immaterial. This return is also known as ascension. The obligtion of this transcendence is to keep consciousness intact. Ascendants who have achieved immortal status may then choose to roan at the earthly plane, to obtain a position among the celestial hierarchy, or, alternatively to completely dissolve themselves in the Wu Wei (nothingness).
-MANTAK CHIA & WILLIAM U. WEI, Sealing of the Five Senses: Advanced Practices for Becoming a Taoist Immortal…my personal view is that ascetics miss the mark. They are over-controlling through their relentless insistence and/or drive that things should a go a “certain way” (decided by some ego-based mental idea), in contrast to natural impulse. In my view, it is a rigidity and inflexibility of ideas that is characteristic of an earth imbalance…
Sorry but this simply totally misguided opinion from more advanced point of view, in my opinion.
And it doesn’t matter if one follows more Indian or Chinese type of path.
With this logic especially the saints are banned to have volition and the sinners are particularly licenced to have it.
HOWDY
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.
July 7, 2015 at 9:17 am #44497StevenModeratorWhat you choose to do with your life is your own business.
But in 100 years–maybe less–you are just as dead as everyone else, likely to never exist again, with a record of perhaps less actual enjoyment in the life you did have.It concerns me not how many notable fools there have been that were ascetics and were respected. In the end, they are still fools, still nothing more than dust now.
S
July 10, 2015 at 3:40 am #44499c_howdyParticipantDukkha (Pāli; Sanskrit: duḥkha; Tibetan: སྡུག་བསྔལ་ sdug bsngal, pr. “duk-ngel”) is a Buddhist term commonly translated as “suffering”, “anxiety”, “stress”, or “unsatisfactoriness”.[a] The principle of dukkha is one of the most important concepts in the Buddhist tradition. The Buddha is reputed to have said: “I have taught one thing and one thing only, dukkha and the cessation of dukkha.” The classic formulation of these teachings on dukkha is the doctrine of the Four Noble Truths, in which the Truth of Dukkha (Pali: dukkha saccã; Sanskrit: duḥkha-satya) is identified as the first.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha…but in 100 years–maybe less–you are just as dead as everyone else, likely to never exist again, with a record of perhaps less actual enjoyment in the life you did have…
This is also clearly misunderstanding.
All conventional experiences have the nature of suffering and incompleteness.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaUvanQkT0 (spookydisco)
July 10, 2015 at 11:01 am #44501StevenModeratorThere is no misunderstanding. I simply don’t believe in your nonsense.
For me, I actually enjoy life. Life for me is about joy, not suffering.
Earth is not any prison planet I’m trying to escape from.Stories of recycling back here in a death-rebirth cycle until you escape from the karmic wheel are just that: STORIES. They are fairy tales. As far as we as humans have evidence for, the life we are currently living is the ONLY life we have or will have, and once you die, you are done, and likely done forever.
As for this individual life, I enjoy every experience–“good”, “bad”, or in-between –because it is one more experience I get to have on this planet before I’m forced to leave.
Maybe you could actually learn something from Daoism and Healing Tao, rather than all this Hindu and Buddhist nonsense that you spout off here.
I’m copying a link to a post from Michael Winn that he posted back in 2010.
It is just as relevant now as it ever was:Steven
July 13, 2015 at 1:14 pm #44503frechtlingParticipantI am a joyist too! Haha love that post…
July 16, 2015 at 6:47 am #44505c_howdyParticipantI insist that in private life men should not admit their passions to be an end, indulging them and so degrading themselves to the level of the other animals, or suppressing them and creating neuroses. I insist that every thought, word and deed should be consciously devoted to the service of the Great Work.
-ALEISTER CROWLEY, The Confessions of Aleister CrowleyThe Little Bald Doctors were three superior beings that appeared in Insomnia. There were three bald doctors in total. Two served The Purpose (Clotho and Lachesis) while the other served The Random (Atropos). It is their job to cut any being’s life line (or streamer) when it is time for them to pass on. Clotho and Lachesis only acted upon a person’s streamer at their appointed “time,” but Atropos took his victims randomly – as a result, those he killed usually died in random acts of violence, tragedies, or accidents. Their names were derived from the Greek Fates that were responsible for: spinning the thread of life (Clotho), measuring the thread of life (Lachesis), and cutting the thread of life (Atropos).
-http://darktower.wikia.com/wiki/Little_Bald_DoctorsWell many Taoists in the past have also studied Buddhist teachings and for some this is also useful in these conditions. Also clearly those Indian lineages have at least as good if not even better meditation and energy yoga practices.
-http://forum.healingdao.com/general/message/25585/The Four Noble Truths (Sanskrit: catvâri âryasatyâni; Pali: cattâri ariyasaccâni) are “the truths of the Noble Ones,” which express the basic orientation of Buddhism: this worldly existence is fundamentally unsatisfactory, but there is a path to liberation from repeated worldly existence. The truths are as follows:
1.The Truth of Dukkha is that all conditional phenomena and experiences are not ultimately satisfying;
2.The Truth of the Origin of Dukkha is that craving for and clinging to what is pleasurable and aversion to what is not pleasurable result in becoming, rebirth, dissatisfaction, and redeath;
3.The Truth of the Cessation of Dukkha is that putting an end to this craving and clinging also means that rebirth, dissatisfaction, and redeath can no longer arise;
4.The Truth of the Path Of Liberation from Dukkha is that by following the Noble Eightfold Pathnamely, behaving decently, cultivating discipline, and practicing mindfulness and meditationan end can be put to craving, to clinging, to becoming, to rebirth, to dissatisfaction, and to redeath.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths1. The nature of human life is to feel Joyous.
2. Joy arises from our power to love existing life and create new life.
3. Joy diminishes when suffering is seen as the meaning of life. Embrace all suffering as a stimulus to our discovering and creating new forms of Joy.
4. The Way to Deeper Joy is to unfold our unique spiritual virtues, and share them with others.
-http://forum.healingdao.com/philosophy/message/19617%5CIn the same way I saw an ancient path, an ancient road, traveled by the Rightly Self-awakened Ones of former times. And what is that ancient path, that ancient road, traveled by the Rightly Self-awakened Ones of former times? Just this noble eightfold path: right view, right aspiration, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration…I followed that path. Following it, I came to direct knowledge of aging & death, direct knowledge of the origination of aging & death, direct knowledge of the cessation of aging & death, direct knowledge of the path leading to the cessation of aging & death…Knowing that directly, I have revealed it to monks, nuns, male lay followers & female lay followers…
-NAGARA SUTTAThe group is known by various names: “Kumaras” (the boys/male children/young boys), “Chatursana” or “Chatuh sana” (the four with names starting with Sana) and “Sanakadi” (Sanaka and the others). Individual names usually include Sanaka (ancient), Sanatana (eternal), Sanandana (joyful) and Sanatkumara (Ever Young). Sometimes, Sanatana is replaced by Sanatsujata. A fifth Kumara named Ribhu is sometimes added. Sometimes, the Kumaras are enumerated as six with Sana and Ribhu or Sanatsujata added.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_KumarasThe recapitulation separates our commitment to the social order from our life force. The two are not inextricable. Once I was able to subtract the social being from my native energy…
-http://www.nagualism.com/you-only-live-twice.htmlIt’s of course possible to try to advocate whatever viewpoint as an intellectual exercise, joke etc.
But it’s the Great Work which in the end one must define and choose oneself.
And this seem to be very different to those who were really never seduced by that bastard, the Lifeforce.
HOWDY
Ps. Sorry for my broken English.
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