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  • This topic has 48 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 13 years, 1 month ago by adel.
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  • March 29, 2012 at 7:59 am #39033
    Steven
    Moderator

    >>>My most recent finding in my meditation and daily life,
    >>>which has been with me for a while but is the most important
    >>>finding of all for me, is that i always need to be watching myself,
    >>>the moment i don’t i find myself doing silly things
    >>>like tensing up in my normal areas. My body is really
    >>>like a child, can’t leave it unattended for a moment
    >>>or it starts being silly! …and then the problems start.

    If you can notice your body begin to tense up, or you can
    notice some kind of internal tightening, then that is huge.
    Most can not, so that is a big step even in itself.

    And of course there will still be times when you don’t notice
    at all until long after you’ve gotten all tense and out-of-whack.
    But it is important to notice this also, and not to judge.
    It is not about perfectionism, but about observing your
    relationship to life itself and how you engage with it.

    >>>Might not get a chance to reply for a couple of days
    >>>though because i’m going away for a kickstart to
    >>>my 2 week holidays from work! 🙂

    Enjoy your vacation!

    Best,
    Steven

    March 29, 2012 at 11:04 pm #39035
    adel
    Participant

    I’ve been musing over your post.

    >>98% of the incoming students don’t want to be
    >>there. They are taking it because of some requirement. They
    >>don’t *want* to learn it, and they project all their negative
    >>energies on you. Similarly, whenever in daily life, I meet
    >>someone and I tell them I study math . . . usually the first
    >>response I get is either “I hate math” or they tell me how
    >>bad they are in it.

    It hit me when I read this, I remember in school everyone saying
    I hate math, chemistry, Mr. Teacher…. Thinking of it in their
    position, it makes me realize what a hard position to be in.
    Of course if you are able even to help one or two people open
    their eyes, the rewards are greater but still what a TOUGH
    world. Made me see my chemistry teacher in a new light, in a
    sense he was right, I was stupid at that time…I wasn’t putting
    in all of my effort, I was wasting both his time and
    mine. Regrets…….but I am glad I was able to see this. It seems
    to me that 80% of college students really shouldn’t be there
    anyway. They should be in trade schools, or apprenticing. There are
    too many mid level managers and advisers in the world.

    In my new job I am also teaching, but it is totally different.
    People come in with very little knowledge (maybe a bit of mass
    marketing mistaken facts) but we have a couple of tables
    where I’ll sit them down like a small class. They had no idea
    that they were going to be getting a little demonstration and
    lesson, but they love the experience and leave enthralled. First
    time I’ve experienced the magic in teaching.

    Math IS spiritual, I remember when I was in Japan. About five years
    in I hadn’t been speaking any English at all (maybe a movie now
    and then). People would sometimes give me their english books,
    which I would devour, didn’t matter what the subject matter was.
    Once someone gave me a book on math and physics. I was reading for
    the third time when I had a moment when I understood what the
    author was talking about, my whole head opened up and I saw…
    it was amazing, I could understand the formulas, I saw the whole
    universe for a moment and then it went dark. I had what was like
    a distant memory of that understanding but was unable to read
    the book again. I went thru a period of real despair that because
    I wasn’t intelligent enough to understand I would always be in the
    dark. (Of course with the practices, I am able to have my own
    understanding now but until then I had given up.)

    Thanks for ranting, Adel

    March 30, 2012 at 1:52 pm #39037
    Steven
    Moderator

    >>>Made me see my chemistry teacher in a new light, in a
    >>>sense he was right, I was stupid at that time…
    >>>I wasn’t putting in all of my effort, I was wasting
    >>>both his time and mine. Regrets…….but I am glad
    >>>I was able to see this.

    Well, even if you weren’t applying yourself, his comment
    still wasn’t very nice. I understand that people can
    say harsh things when they feel stressed or disappointed,
    but still it wasn’t very nice . . .

    >>>It seems to me that 80% of college students
    >>>really shouldn’t be there anyway. They should be
    >>>in trade schools, or apprenticing. There are too many
    >>>mid level managers and advisers in the world.

    I agree. Most people in high school nowadays just think
    that college is the next step, without ever really considering
    what they want out of life. Even with a 4-year degree, it
    can be difficult to get a job . . . and oftentimes that degree
    comes with a load of student loan debt. In a lot of ways,
    it is simply not worth it in my view, UNLESS the person
    is extremely motivated toward a particular goal. College
    should just be viewed as means to get educated, not as
    a means to get a job.

    >>>In my new job I am also teaching, but it is totally different.

    As long as you are enjoying what you are doing, that is the main thing. 😉

    >>>Math IS spiritual, I remember when I was in Japan. [snipped]
    >>>I was reading for the third time when I had a moment
    >>>when I understood what the author was talking about,
    >>>my whole head opened up and I saw…
    >>>it was amazing, I could understand the formulas,

    Wow. Great sharing.

    I’ve always sort of considered math to be on the opposite end of
    the spectrum from doing spiritual practices . . . but about
    a year ago, I ran into someone who had been doing deep
    spiritual practices for awhile, and we had been sharing and
    talking about practices in general. At some point he asked
    me what I was doing “in the real world”, and I told him that
    I was working on a PhD in math. To my surprise, he responded
    with enthusiasm, and with a big smile on his face, said
    “that’s great! the only way to open the seventh chakra is
    through either mathematics or music”. It took me a minute
    to recover from the shock, as I had expected the usual response,
    but quickly realized that at least to him, he was dead serious.
    Now I don’t know whether what he said is true or not, but
    –at least for those moments–it made me feel like maybe my
    two passions are not so disconnected as I previously thought.

    I do have to say that when I sit down at my desk and spend
    long periods doing high-level math, I do sort of go into
    a little bit of an altered state and it almost becomes kind of
    a meditation in a way.

    >>>I went thru a period of real despair that because
    >>>I wasn’t intelligent enough to understand I would
    >>>always be in the dark. (Of course with the practices,
    >>>I am able to have my own understanding now but
    >>>until then I had given up.)

    I wouldn’t make judgments about your own intelligence.
    Everyone has their own innate intelligence, and this
    can be cultivated in many different ways. Becoming
    “book smart” in a technical field is only one skill,
    and is something anyone can do if they are truly
    passionate about the area and feed into it both the
    necessary requirements of time, perseverance, energy,
    and patience. And even in so doing, it doesn’t
    necessarily reflect a person’s intelligence.

    The only thing truly important in my view is to be
    able to come into some kind of harmony and balance
    with world in which you live, and use your own innate
    intelligence and awareness to continually open yourself
    up to deeper levels of connection to both universal love
    and love for others. The rest is really just how we pass the time.

    I hope you feel love in your life.
    It is the only thing truly important I feel.

    Best,
    Steven

    March 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm #39039
    adel
    Participant

    I’m feeling a lot of love in my life lately 🙂

    Sorry, sometimes when writing I come across
    a little harsh 😉 But I do truly believe that
    people don’t have to be nice all of the time.
    A little meaness is sometimes a good motivator
    and always hides some truth in it.

    I often use words like stupid that in English
    can be too stark and hopeless sounding, the
    problem stems from me translating the words
    from Japanese into English. I have trouble
    finding the right words, stupid to me is not
    really a negative word. It means not using
    your full abilities but also implies that
    with reflection you can do better (?). Same
    with intelligence, I often use it as a negative
    word wherein someone only lives in their head
    instead of the 5 senses (Japanese = Gokan).

    When you were talking about math being like
    a foreign language it reminded me of my experience.
    It was like when I first started reading chinese
    characters, rather than reading sounds you are
    putting together meanings which is what I saw in
    the math formulas.

    Thanks….Adel

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