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November 27, 2004 at 10:16 pm #2144esotericwarriorParticipant
Hey Trunk, Three amigos are the ankle rotations, squats, and k1 breathing.Could you explain how to properly do k1 breathing?Do you inhale from the dan tien to the k1 and exhale back up to the dan tien or inhale from the k1 to the dan tien and exhale back down? Thanks again. Sean
November 27, 2004 at 10:54 pm #2146TrunkParticipantHere’s a link, three amigos.
> how to properly do k1 breathing? >
How i do it is the tan tien expands and pulls qi in from the k1’s on the inhale. I don’t worry about the exhale so much.
Nice to try it in standing, and in various stretching.
November 28, 2004 at 5:36 am #2148MindfullessnessParticipantI recently took it up again (2 months ago) “the way of Energy”
& realized how much energy I was missing out on everytime i would let it go for other practices.Here is the ‘clincher’ IMHO.
Some people need to access the chi via standing.
Others need to ‘balance’ their already adequate supply via body work.I personally found Scott Sonnons Body flow tapes were very good for this.
BUT, for me after I ‘got’ the initial opening & flexibility it became just like any other workout that left me tired afterwards.To put it another way:
It’s costing me chi.
So, for me I become balanced by accessing needed chi through standing practice coupled with 8 pieces & other gentler qi gong which leaves me with ample energy for all else needed.The question might be: Do you fall into one of these more polarized categories?
All the best.
November 28, 2004 at 4:07 pm #2150YodaParticipantI’m self-taught ZZ dude too. Warriors of Stillness I&II, Lam Kam Chuen, I bought the Stand Still Be Fit video, etc… Cool stuff–all of it. Wang Xiangzhai was definitely a stud. It’s super high-voltage and can drive you nuts though. Add in a moderate level of jing retention and I get irritated by the practice. It is amazing how powerful it is–it literally can boil the blood with energy.
Lam Kam Chuen’s recent book “15 minute Chi Kung”(something like that) taught me that you can do ZZ standing while… sitting!!! Only half as powerful, but twice as blissful. Same hand postures, just done sitting.
I’ve been doing ZZ for about a year and a half. Right now I’m sitting Zhan Zuang mostly, while doing White Skeleton/Trunk’s Fab 4 and doing primordial chikung and only a bit of pure standing.
White Skeleton is great, and I highly recommend everyone go to meditationexpert.com and get it for $8, but K1 breathing plus visualizing white light flowing and smiling through your feet and foot bones should have the same effect.
-Yoda
November 28, 2004 at 4:31 pm #2152esotericwarriorParticipantBoilin the blood is cool, its boilin the brain that I am worried about :-)By the way I was practicing Jing retention and wouldn’t ejaculate for months on end.I ejaculated the past few days and notice a difference. Thanks again
November 29, 2004 at 1:40 pm #2154thelernerParticipantI’ve been working more on mindfulness lately. Just sitting with a quiet mind. Counting breaths while I drive, etc.
Last couple of days, I’m being hammered by loud negative thoughts. Bad, annoying, neurotic. Solution, just time and trying to keep the mind open enough to see thoughts as temporary mindstuff and not me.
Some jing loss yesterday helped too. Its really a ‘symptom’ of having a quieter mind. Thoughts that were constant and circling, are now clearer and louder. So I’ll watch’em come, watch’em go, don’t cling, be optimistic and keep the mind quiet and calm.
Peace
Michael
November 29, 2004 at 1:55 pm #2156thelernerParticipantOn the Fusion I tape, Michael Winn has a practice of starting of doing the orbit, making it macro(including the feet), then imagining a ‘clone’ on standing on top of you and a clone beneath you under the earth, and carrying on the orbit through all 3 of you. Then having 2 clones above and two below and having the orbit zig zag up and down.
I really liked that practice. It got into the deep grounding that felt reassuring.
peace
Michael
November 29, 2004 at 9:00 pm #2158YodaParticipantI’m pretty sure that this is just my peculiar karma–they kicked me out of Buddhism after all, but counting my breaths while driving would give me road rage.
-Yoda
December 1, 2004 at 11:04 am #2160TrunkParticipantSean,
Please break your future posts into paragraphs. Much easier to read.
> how bout if I do it like this. Instead of starting up top, what if I just keep a wide open relaxed space in the dan tien only as I breath into it? >
Sounds basically ok.
However, there is no formula that you can follow totally by rote. A big part of the learning process is simply learning to be sensitive to your own body, and learning to make adjustments accordingly.
Regarding your spleen/pancreas, and current situation, you should consider getting a referral to a good doctor (of chinese medicine, or otherwise). (I know i may have said different before, and i take it back.) Could help release the jam-up that you seem to ‘ve acquired around spleen/pancreas… and (possibly) make the whole work that you do yourself much easier.
Trunk
December 1, 2004 at 11:24 am #2162thelernerParticipant🙂
Peas
Michael
And remember, when driving there are no crazed assholes out there, only heavenly teachers, there to teach us patience, tolerance, alertness and finger control 🙂
December 2, 2004 at 11:18 am #2164YodaParticipantI’ve never tuned into that dude, is he really all powerful? Bitchin!
-Yoda
PS I’ll keep the heavenly teachers thing in mind.
December 3, 2004 at 1:42 pm #2166thelernerParticipantIs Rammy all powerful, well he’s powerful enough. A real he-man, an enlightened soul from the ancient times into the old neglected values of pillage, destruction and hedonism.
I’ll hear his voice on the road, “If you knock the Mini into Hummer it’ll clear an opening on the left hand side so you can go around the garbage truck.”
Mostly I just ignore him, but its nice to know you can reach into the past for wisdom there.
Peas
Michael
Speaking of hedonism I’ll be spending the weekend at a Sybaris, celebrating my 10th year anniversary with significant other.
December 3, 2004 at 11:54 pm #2168YodaParticipantPAPER THE TOILET SEAT! Poor guy… I bet you forget.
I once ate a hamburger at a skanky strip club, but that’s about as racey as it get’s on Degoba.
The Dark Side is more fun.
-Yoda
December 5, 2004 at 11:19 pm #2170thelernerParticipantNothing like a $375 room with a pool & Sauna & swing set hanging over the bed. At 40 I am a much better lover then at 18 or 25 or 35. I owe much of it to information I’ve received here.
Since it was something of a marathon night and morning of sex, the taoist perspective of sex without ejaculation was essential. Generally I would try to take the building orgasmic feeling from the genitals and feel it in my whole body and in the space around me. Having more self knowledge and self control kept me from slipping over the edge. It was actually very energizing, I found myself up at 4:50 a.m. wide awake and ready to swim and meditate.
Positions like modified missionary where the man on top gets into the seiza position(womans legs on mans shoulder or in butterfly position), where there is less sensation for the man, but you have your hands free to massage your partners erogenous zones.
Peace
Michael
P.S. the Sybaris seemed pretty clean and tasteful, and they have afternoon prices at a third the over nite rate ;>/
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