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singing ocean replied to the topic re: clarification (discussion from below) in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
What was your question?
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
The point is not that we are “on an island isolated from influence”, but that we must choose between free will and submitting to absolute authority.
The info mainly came up in MW’s alchemy lectures, and through the Atlantean source.
The point in being here is to fill in a particular gap in the whole’s experience that expresses itself through…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
Thanks for the great discussion by the way!
Argument clinic:
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
Thanks for the great discussion by the way!
Argument clinic:
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
Alchemy accelerates our destiny (process of energetic completion in physical reality) by allowing us to communicate more clearly with the Wuji (the origin) and the Dao (the great process). By choosing to go back to the source, we maintain equilibrium between the physical and the Wuji by allowing the process to freely communicate between the t…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
I feel like this is a valid question, and we have just begun the conversation, but we need to clarify certain points like “what is the larger/higher self”?
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
The big question is this:
What is the “higher self” in your view? Is it personal or collective? Is it an extension of the five shen, manifesting their pure virtue qualities, but still in a personal configuration? Is it an unconscious part of ourselves that exists in formless dimensions but is unable to directly communicate with the personal…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
So basically you are saying that the personal self is being directed to do certain things by the collective self, but the personal self is unaware of it.
My answer is mostly speculation, but this is how I feel it: Instead of the collective self saying “you need to play tennis”, we get an impulse that might say “you need to complete the…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
Okay, so if “Everything is always balanced”, then everyone’s lives must be automatically perfect, and people have no needs, wants or desires.
I am perfectly aware that if there is a whole that contains both yin and yang, by nature of the whole it must be complete and therefore be balanced. By “speeding up the storyline” do you mean simply…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
So you are acknowledging that we can be “imbalanced”?
I think that the physical plane is inherently imbalanced, of course in the big picture there is a perfect balance of yin and yang but on a small scale, we are constantly balancing those forces as we go through our daily lives.
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
I both agree and disagree with certain things…
The idea that we are playing out thoughts of our higher selves makes sense, but on the other hand, the reason why we are here is to explore free will, and we are here because the higher self cannot function here.
So, yes, on one hand there are issues in the vast impersonal collective plane…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
process is what its all about
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
I think the divergence in our views about whether things are balanced or not on a personal level is like this – I see what you are saying as a form of “fate”, that things are written out the way they will progress, where I am saying that whatever happens to you is happening is a stream of wills that are all interacting, and you sometimes impose…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
I hear what you’re saying about things already being balanced, but find that in my life, the exploration is directed by my intention, although we are always stepping into the unknown, and if I find there is an area that is “unbalanced”, I will take a direction that seeks to balance it.
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singing ocean replied to the topic Spiritual Women have more Sex (science study) in the forum General 15 years, 1 month ago
Time to hit the yoga studio…
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
Its true, this society is excess yang and always trying to overachieve, but doing nothing all the time without interaction can get monotonous too. Finding what you need to do to complete yourself is the key I guess, and that can be fast or slow depending on what you feel you need in the moment.
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
In a dynamic process, things can never really “stop”, they only transform into other forms and non-forms.
Suppose you are standing in the middle of a highway…you have to take responsibility for being there in the first place, and wouldn’t that be asking to be run over?
My intention is not to maintain joy, but balance which is a dynamic process.
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singing ocean replied to the topic Can one earn salvation or imortality through good works alone? n/t in the forum Philosophy 15 years, 1 month ago
I don’t find it necessary to get angry with others either, I think that it can be useful as a survival response though.
I tried the “things are as they should be” technique for a while, particularly while driving in traffic (I have to drive quite a bit every day), and it did help to decrease the stress level and defuse the competitive attitude…[Read more]
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singing ocean replied to the topic On my walk today in the forum Practice 15 years, 1 month ago
Great to hear…one of my favorite weekend activities is to go hiking in the local mountains. Its like going on an internal holiday, feeling the freedom of the flow of nature.
Another walking practice I really like is magui baguazhang circle walking – the earth qi is off the charts! It also influences interesting flows of the orbit – through…[Read more]
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