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it’s hard to fit everything you want to do into limited time..
I am saying that there is research so lets build a thread..
there are several articles via this site that deal with crysallinity and collagen,
there are many sites out there with info on water molecule stacks and electric current..
how about the biochemistry of chakras..
or, better yet,
more info on the enteric nervous system and “heart brain”
if this “biological plasma” is authentic, a theory is that it is gravitomagnetic..dealing with spin and electric density..
SQUIDS are a topic I should post on later..
but one way or another, i am saying keys are in our own body and biochemistry
have you checked out mary burmeisters jin shin jyutsu?
all of these electric currents should be measurable..
there is no way when we are sitting there reversing our poles and currents start looping that it is not going to show up in some way on an electric or magnetic read out, so where is the screen?
i am more than willing to devote myself to building this one thread via links and reference material
>>it’s hard to fit everything you want to do into limited time..<>the whole thing is a theory with many subtheories<>have you checked out mary burmeisters jin shin jyutsu?<>I am saying that there is research<>i am saying keys are in our own body and biochemistry<<
– the keys to *what* specifically?
Naturally if you can say something is composed of electrical currents you can measure the currents, I am not saying don't measure the currents, I am asking *why* measure the currents? Whose currents do you want to measure? Do you want to show *something* is happening, or do you want to show *what* is happening and model it? Do you want to build a model of spiritual practices, the spiritual universe, both, all of these, none of these? Do you want to measure the waves of Bardo practitioners and compare them to Michael's? Do you want to find the underlying similarities between the different models? Do you expect to find an electrical 'explanation' for every spiritual experience?
Please, explain a little more slowly for those of us who do not normally interest themselves in things like this! I am an artist, Steven is a mathematician, Dolphin is a homeopath, MichaelW is an alchemist, Stalker is a math/physicist type, Wendy is a healer… we are a mixed bunch. I for one would like to know the basic why and what of the things you are saying, because then it will be more comprehensible to me why you look at so many things, and I would like to understand! If you want to post this many things, why not make a conversation out of it that all can join in with?
Speaking of which, please, I think for the 5th time now, answer the questions I asked you so long ago! If you do this, we are having a conversation, in which I listen to you and you then listen to me. If not, it seems like all you want to do is pile in information. j
“… what I am asking is, *what* ‘whole thing’ exactly? What are you trying to say the theory is? The number of things you have touched upon would include just about anything and everything! Are you in fact simply trying to get scientifically valuable evidence for a ‘grand spiritual theory of everything’? Or are you limiting yourself to the 8-circuit model as a basic template? Or are you trying to fit other templates into the 8-model one, eg. the taoist one? Or is it life after death that interests you? I mean each of these is a lifework! ‘it’s hard to fit everything you want to do into limited time’.”
–> locally that would mean the topic of the post, which is Bardo Thodol as Inter-Planetary Magnetic Fields, but, loosely, this entire healingtao/universal tao system is presented as a spiritual science…
it’s very simple, why be so nit picky, it’s like forests for trees
imagine a future society of space faring, astro/bio chemically knowledgeable people dealing with hard medical problems which can be greatly enhanced by hard understanding of spin points, meridian tones etc.. like mending lost appendages.. i think armed with current technology and ancient tao we are capable of it!“- What are the assumptions I’m making?”
—> i have posted repeatedly about various concepts of the soul, primarily KHABS KHU, and finally found a Mantak pamphlet that clearly says, hey your SOL soul is a middle cauldron field phenomenon linked to the sun as a local satellite transceiver of frequencies into a formless stellar-cosmic energy ocean
if you were standing there at formula 1 or pre formula working with chi, you could easily ask this question.. regardless of planetary experience..sure, the practices are fine and good and that’s the experience, but some scientific probing is wonderful as well..
what do “YOU” think the assumption was?
“- Did Mantak say the soul was magnetic?”
–> yes, or polar chi based with local sun and planets as tuning transceivers.. all i am saying is lets prove it, incorporate it, and stop wondering.. if you can’t get it on a chart then that’s ok, but surely let’s try!
“- Do you have direct experience of the planetary spheres or are you understanding them purely from reading?”
–> here and there… more into greater and star alchemy, planets are too external
“>>have you checked out mary burmeisters jin shin jyutsu?< what do practices have to do with it? there’s an assumption in itself.. it’s charts and points and theory and history
“I myself am delighted when science confirms anything in spiritual practice. But for me it is not something that is uppermost in my mind,”
–> well it should be, the world needs help and a harder developing “medical” model of qi kung would greatly facilitate that
“There may be people reading your posts who have no idea what ‘water molecule stacks and electric current’ or ‘crysallinity and collagen’ have to do with their spiritual practice, and I am actually one of them! The same goes for much of what you post.”
–> forget calling it spiritual and call it medicine, then we can all dissolve into the universal zero point field at death with no questions of whether it’s real or not..and stop worrying about religion this and that, it will just be physics and medicine
“>>i am saying keys are in our own body and biochemistry< knowledge of the larger universe
.. i think the universaltao in particular is a BEAUTIFUL system, and that is my whole point! But what an opportunity to create a genuine bias free science..
this allows it to be communicated to anyone any where regardless of whether they are at Formula whatever##
Thank you for saying what you said.
I don’t respond to a lot of Intelligence’s posts,
not because I have anything against him, but because
more often than not–I can’t actually understand what
he’s saying!Not that he’s speaking jibberish necessarily, just
that I don’t have the background to understand, and
moreover since I don’t see any relevance to my practice,
I’m not inclined to investigate said background so that
I can join a discussion.Sorry Intelligence, oftentimes you’re just too intelligent for me 🙂
S
So ultimately your goal is to be able to eventually have
humanity change all spiritual knowledge into physics and medicine?S
… your point of view.
I do know a little about research and scientific method you know! When you say, Jason you are very nitpicky, get on board with the Star Trek dream, my response is to say – Star Trek is a fairytale. Science is about what is absolutely exact and demonstratively, definitively true. So if you are saying you want a truly objective spiritual science in western physical and medical terms, I am asking you to show me just how exact you can be. Otherwise, although you want it, you can’t get it. It becomes unattainable.
I will answer you without going point by point this time, but first on this:
>>what do “YOU” think the assumption was?<>”J: I myself am delighted when science confirms anything in spiritual practice. But for me it is not something that is uppermost in my mind,”
–> well it should be, the world needs help and a harder developing “medical” model of qi kung would greatly facilitate that<>forget calling it spiritual and call it medicine, then we can all dissolve into the universal zero point field at death with no questions of whether it’s real or not..and stop worrying about religion this and that, it will just be physics and medicine<<
… I'm really not looking for this to happen any time soon! First of all, when we die, it will seem real enough and no theory will help, only practical experience.
But more importantly for your purposes: I think and believe that in the directions you are enquiring in, great strides can be made. But to do the whole thing as you currently lay it out would be too big a task, especially without direct experience. It calls for a concerted international effort involving every major spiritual path, at the very least. That could be done! – politically very difficult but not impossible – but is that your goal? The achievements of Tesla, Gandhi and the Dalai Lama combined would pale by comparison! Again, if your goal is more modest what exactly would it be?
That is why I am 'nitpicking' as you call it, I'm saying, in practice, here on the ground, what is the task you really want to achieve? If you have something more definite in mind you can get it done of course. But what is that something? Where are you going to focus? Simply to hear you say 'this is interesting, that is interesting' or 'this might correspond to that, that might correspond to this' is not going to prove anything. Proof means being absolutely definite.
For example, I note that you don't practice Tibetan Bardo at this time yourself, you are working with the taoist formulas. You also have some experience with entheogens but apparently are not working with them at the moment… why not start with those things and work them into Leary's model in a consistent manner that could be tested and proven?
At least with those things you can see what you are doing since you have actual experience. I gather the 'triumvirate' you talk about is working on the entheogenic aspect of Leary's model? (Although you never write about what exactly it is they are doing. Can you tell us?). Can you get in touch with them and talk to them about taoist alchemy? Then you can start combining those two. That would be real progress. Still you'd have to test it all, and still nothing on planetary spheres – but real worthy progress!
If your goals are that important to you, I'm sure you can explain more clearly what they are. Otherwise they are not really goals, and I for one will never understand why you talk so avidly about these multitudes of things with no direct connection either to your own direct and replicable experience or to one another. That's assuming you want to be understood of course! – but if you don't, this is not really communicating. How are you going to help the world, in the way you say it needs helping, if you can't even explain in detail what needs to be done?
To go back to where we began, you said that I should be alot more interested in physics- and medicine-based proof than I am, because the world needs help… well I believe not only I but everyone on this board is already doing alot to help the world!
If you want to tell us what more we should all be doing, you will have to a) explain why your goals are so much more important, and why we should all be able to guess what you mean and keep up with all of your reading without any explanation from you of what you are aiming at (because it's taken alot from me to get just a tiny little explanation from you); and b) you will have to convince me personally anyway, of the direct benefit of genuine scientific research, not a 'loose, might-be theory', but something real. In other words define.
I'll be very happy to read anything else you post on these things, but I will still 'nitpick' because the ability to be thorough is part of science in my opinion! Without thoroughness and a real practical aim, how can you prove anything, and how can the world be helped?
Here on this board you have a resource of people who all practice and would be very delighted I'm sure to see a major step forward in scientific understanding in the areas they work on. Why not talk to them and tell them in detail what you personally see is necessary to be done? And why not talk to them in such a way as to have them understand? And get a response from them that might be valuable?
j
PS Do you do scientific research yourself? In what field?
i am actually a pretty nice person…
see
“Dr. Leary suggests that circuit VIII is literally neuro-atomic—infra, supra and meta-physiological—a quantum model of consciousness and/or a conscious model of quantum mechanics by the turned-on physicists discussed previously (Prof. John Archibald Wheeler, Saul-Paul Sirag, Dr. Fritjof Capra, Dr. Jack Sarfatti, etc.) indicates strongly that the “atomic consciousness” first suggested by Leary in “The Seven Tongues of God” (1962) is the explanatory link which will unite parapsychology and paraphysics into the first scientific empirical experimental theology in history.”
also:
The 8 Circuit Brain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Circuit_Model_of_Consciousness
The Tryptophan–> Pinoline–> 5-MeO-DMT Cycle: Upper Cauldrons/Third Eye as Cicuits 7 & 8 (?): A Practical How To Guide
http://tribes.tribe.net/8-circuitbrain/thread/2acf5702-788d-491f-bc29-3c59d29715b8http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/DarkRoom.pdf
Maximum Pineal Activation (Gravitational Fields)
http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/maximal.html
Glandular Steaming and Polar Reversal
http://www.universal-tao.com/article/kan&li.html
The Opening of the Crystal Palace (all with Illustrations)
http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/DarkRoomIntro.pdf
The House of the Rising Yang and the Muddy Pill
http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/DarkRoomTaoist.pdf
http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/index.html
“Heart Brain” as Circuit 6 (?) == Middle Cauldron
http://tribes.tribe.net/8-circuitbrain/thread/f87caf05-f559-4fbd-aa79-0113fdfb6840http://www.heartmath.org/research/our-heart-brain.html
BioFields and Bliss
Belly Brain as Circuit 5 (?) Taoist Lower Cauldron (Institute of Noetic Sciences)
http://tribes.tribe.net/8-circuitbrain/thread/4c46de89-4e5e-4ca0-a535-0fb5b8b68928http://www.reflexologyinstitute.com/clinic_research1.php
http://www.kheper.net/topics/intelligence/MacLean.htm
http://www.wie.org/j25/gowygut.asp
“The Second Brain” (and the Enteric Nervous System)
http://books.google.com/books?id=AFTgHAAACAAJ&dq=the+second+brain
“Brain Circuits and Functions of the Mind”
by Nobel Prize recipient Roger Sperry.
Bardo Thodol as Inter-Planetary Magnetic Fields
http://tribes.tribe.net/8-circuitbrain/thread/0cd29030-31cd-4d9a-aab6-496b7f4f7986this excerpt is from mountain tao systems in china-thailand more than kalichakric tibetan-indian, but same general root ( i think)
from: “Cosmic Healing II” , at universaltao.com from Mantak Chia:
the solar system is an energy structure with nine major awareness belts, planets are materialized form of belts
each belt has unique frequencies and qualities.. the soul remains strongly connected to the sun.. two clearly distinguished forms of soul are discussed:
1) sun related cloud soul of hun
2) moon related white soul popo half comes into being at birth, preceding emergence of hun
soul starts incarnation process by moving through world of stars attracted by solar system where sun acts as a giant satellite station between the world of stars and planets
karmic information carried by soul determines how long it will remain in different planets’ frequencies.. these frequencies affecting our learning possibilities and distinctive character qualities
during this incarnation the soul moves from un-manifested world through the star world, external planets, internal planets, and moon earth sphere.. an electro-plasmic force of humanity around the earth functions as an awareness belt connecting the soul with life on earth
later info covers five star palaces and five cranial bones and the opening of the crystal room to star frequencies
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so it’s one thing to say, another to have subjective experience, and another to externalize as objective proof and technology…
but I think the point here (for anyone who cares to read), is this:
if birds can sense the planet’s magnetic field and poles as well as each other in flight to coordinate and migrate vast distances via the metal in their pineal glands/root eye/third eyes also visible on any iguanas forehead
and the bardo thodol is thought to be systematic solar planetary magnetic fields..
then you are left with the idea of a human telepathic mental field where souls are essentially higher frequency light structures… whose dimension is attune-able to by humans in the same sense as the earths field is to aviaries..
or in other words souls are postulated as, at a minimum, interplanetary magnetic denizens whose field is attuneable
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