Cancer and practice

I havn’t found anything Paolina said a bit interesting and I certainly wouldn’t pay anyone for the what she says or especially the way she said it. I know better to give my e-mail out. The e-mail I gave her is one I reserve for people or businesses I am unsure about. I gave the e-mail out in hopes of talking things out but this so called force of nature just sent gay porn from fake addresses.He talks tuff on here but was all man on man sex in her e-mails. I do truely hope to meet Paolina one day but not to pay her for her so called wisdom. As far as being enriched I feel like berating, making violent threats, being homophobic, rascist, and misogynistic is in no way enriching, just offensive. I simply don’t see anything coming out of fighting on line with her. Her style is to just blurt out a bunch of violent imagery usualy having to do with some deep desire of Paoliona’s, then she says how great she is and how dumb everyone else is, nothing will come of that and it will go on and on with out end. I do hope the great Tao will allow our paths to cross one day. Of that I would be forever greatful.

Hey paolina, speaking of pipe dreams I sent some freinds in Hollywood to your supposed boxing gym to scope you out and ask around about you, and surprise surprise not one person in that gym has ever heard of Ronnie the Sicilian. I then called the gym on three seperate occasions and talked to three different people and each one said that no one by that name has ever trained there. They also weren’t too happy that you had involved them and their gym in a conflict. So what aspect of you is not a total fucking lie? Now I am absolutely positive that you are nothing but a loud mouth shit talking coward, and will never be man enough to back up anything you say. I know that you will answer this message in a stream of insults and obsenities that sound as if they are coming from a mongaloid pirate, but I now know they are like farts from a diseased asshole. They may stink and they may be noxious but they can do no real harm and will eventually disperse and float away. There is no substance thus no real threat. Just a stench to be waved away.

Energetically, cancer is repressed anger and frustration.

Given your description of her, it sounds like she
has several reasons for having it, as well.

I’d encourage her to do whatever she needs to do,
to be able to release and resolve her repressed anger.

Cancer is merely a physical manifestation of the
internal blockage initiated by the wood element
that is prevented from expressing itself.

Of course, anything that helps improve qi flow,
is a good thing.

You can suggest the breast massage, that you already
suggested. You can also suggest that she stop wearing
a bra. Bras inhibit lymphatic flow in and out of the breast.
Michael has made several posts about that. All of these
things can help.

To get to the source, however, she needs to address
and resolve her repressed anger.

S

I meant in reference to her being frustrated
that she can’t express her sexuality as much as
she’d prefer to, because her lover is kept at a distance.

This, plus possibly other unspecified reasons.

Who is restricting her and does she feel victimized by this repressive force.

I agree the cancer is not supressing her Sexual expression.

Steven,
Good post. Though I agree with what you said I do think that a lot of cancers are a result of enviromental toxins and sometimes have nothing to do with a persons emotions or repressed desires. For instance my father has aspestosis and his doctors say that it may eventually turn into cancer. I find it hard to believe that his repressed grief would create the cancer. I would blame it more on the aspestos that he inhaled while working in steel mills. I also find it hard to believe that cancer pockets can be blamed on a whole communities repressed feeling and desires, rather I would look more toward environmental factors that the whole communtiy shared in, such as waste dumping, water contamination, or heavy metals in the air. I think that if we start blaming the person solely for their condition we walk a dangerous path; one a kin to the middle ages where people who got sick were said to be sinners and deserving of their illness. Though again I agree with you that some cancers can be caused by stress and emotional imbalances I think the rise in cancer world wide must be looked at more as outside pathogentic factors rather than internal factors. Otherwise cancer at the level it’s at now would of been the same throughout history.

It seems to me that modern people like to delude themselves about how high our stress level is. I mean historically modern people in industrialized countries live a fairly stress free life when compared to people of the past. We rarely have to worry about our city being raided and everyone hacked to peices. We haven’t felt famine or drought in my life time, which would of been a constant factor in the past. We don’t have to worry about enslavement or mutilation due to our race or status. We don’t have a controlling theocracy that forces people under penalty of law to repress our sexuality or desires. Basically we have it much easier and with many more freedoms then any other culture that has ever been. So my point is I can’t believe that stress and repression are the main causes of cancer today. I agree that it is good to work on repressed desires and stresses, especially if you are facing death, but I refuse to beleive that those are the main causes of the rise in cancer world wide. I am more prone to look at environmental factors, as we are putting things into the earth, air, water, and food that have never been there before. I think that if we are going to control, cure, and understand cancer we have to look more at environmental factors and the synergy that occurs within the body exposed to those factors.

Again good post, I just wanted to add my 2 cents. Though I am not claming that your post did this, but I sometimes cringe at New Age/Spiritual communities mistrust of science, to me it is a kin to fundamental christians banning the theory of evolution, or scientologists refusing to believe in autism, it’s often backwards and superstitious. Though I am warey of doctors as I have seen how inept and uncaring they can be, and how their policies towards insurance and people without money can lead to peoples death, I do not think that means that science and medicine are bad and that we should completely turn our backs to them, that is just a move back into superstition and folklore. Instead I think we need a reworking of our healthcare policies and a merging of traditional and modern medical techniques so that prevention is the main path and more modern therapies are employed as preventative factors fail. To move backwards is a waste of time, and those that claim that modern medicine hasn’t done anthing for us need to go look at polio and small pocks statistics from the past. I don’t think that meditation and qi-gung stopped the spread of those diseases but modern science, that being said I doubt that meditation and qi-gung will lead to the cure of cancer, maybe for the prevention of, or used in conjuction with modern techniques to quicken the recovery, but not the cure, not on a world wide basis.

just my 2 cents.

Peace & Tao
Shenchi

Steven,

again great post. There’s far too much to rebut at the moment but I would like to hit on a few things. As far as the Aspestosis in my Fathers lungs and why Aspestos is hard to rid the body of is due, not so much to the liver but, to the shape of the aspestos fiber itself. It is hooked or barb shaped. It works its way in and then like a fish hook it fixes itself in place. I don’t think that work on the liver is goining to remove those barbs that are hooked into the flesh of the lungs. The main reason that the doctors said he “may” get cancer is due to the way that the aspestos makes x-rays of the lungs near impossible so it’s hard to say for sure what’s going on in there. Also it is hard to say how much of it he was exposed to over the years. I think if you took Lao Tzu himself and exposed him to enough aspestos he would end up getting cancer. I do however believe (and I said this in my previous post) that liver work would help prevent the on set of it for some time and I think that it would also help in the recovery from the cancer. I also completely believe in the healing capabilities of the human body, but we often need help in facilitating that process. Whether that be from accupuncture, herbs, massage, energy work, or prescription drugs.

I also totally agree with you that what we have to use in fighting cancer at the present moment is barbaric and along the lines of blood letting, but I also work in a hospital (though not in the medical field) and I see first hand people coming into the hospital looking like corpses and over time they look better and better. I talk to them on a daily basis; as the hospital I work in has a well known oncology department with a very good success rate. People come from all over the world to go to this hospital. I hear from them and their family members how thankful they are for the treatment they got and how it saved their lives. I also know that it can be a hard long road for these people but more people survive then don’t. It is just certain cancers are way more deadly and are harder to reduce. Actually the trend in medicine right now is to include things like accupuncture and massage along with the more invasive therapies. Hopefully the future will hold much less invasive, and far more inclusive, and preventative therapies.

Again I don’t herald western medicine as the end all be all nor do I accept that eastern medicine can cure all that ails ya. I think that a combination of both, with the western side beng a last resort, is the best we can get right now. Would I go and immediately start kemo if I found out that I had cancer, no I would do what most on this board would do I would attempt to do my best at healing it myself. Would I refuse to go to the hospital and go through western procedures if it seemed I had no choice, Hell No! I would go and attempt to use what was available and if I survived I would work on recovering from it in the most natural way I could.

My main point is that I don’t think that cancers, proven to be caused by external pathogenic factors, can be ignored or reduced to internal emotional causes.

Now as far as stress today, I would gladly take the post modern stresses of today then that of the tribal, or classical society. No police force, life expectancy of 30, poor diet, unless you were part of the 1% nobalatis. In Rome 80% of all citizens were slaves. They were beaten on a regular basis, often fed quite poorly, and were used a sexual play things. In ancient China, for the most part, things weren’t much better. Constant wars, no police force, street justice, famine, nobles who constantly abused the lower class. And I don’t mean abused like low income, poor education, I mean abused like mutilate your face for looking at them the wrong way, or lopping off your head because you bowed with contempt. Not even to mention the unbeleivably high rate of infant mortality that existed prior to industrilization. Of course America is high in it’s infant mortality but it used to be 1 in 3 of all children died. That’s even with the nobility. I don’t think most people really understand exactly what life was like in the past. From my Anthropolgy studies though I can say I would not trade my place in the Idustrialized world for one in the third world, not to mention a second world. Most people in those parts of the world face the real possibility of losing family members, or even dying themselves, on an almost daily basis. That to me is real stress. I grew up pretty poor by American standards and my father grew up incredibly poor. I know from my own experiences and the stories of my father that most people have no clue what real stress is. Worrying if I can pay my rent or car insurance is nothing to having to go through winter with one pair of shoes to share between two siblings, as my father had to do, and many people all over the world have similar situations. That is real stress. My father was an exception in America and for most industrilized countries, but that is the norm for third world countries, and I refuse to believe that we have it worse than them. If you have a roof over your head and food in your cupboard, and you always have, then you probably don’t know what real stress is.

Again Steven great post. I have always enjoyed reading what you have to say, and I really do agree with you for the most part. I just think that there’s more to cancer than repressed emotions, though I do think they play a part just not all the time. I look forward to reading more from you and maybe seeing you this summer at heavenly mountain. Until then,

Peace & Tao

Shenchi