Cancer and practice

>>>As far as the Aspestosis in my Fathers lungs
>>>and why Aspestos is hard to rid the body of is due,
>>>not so much to the liver but, to the shape of the
>>>aspestos fiber itself. It is hooked or barb shaped.
>>>It works its way in and then like a fish hook it fixes
>>>itself in place. I don’t think that work on the liver
>>>is goining to remove those barbs that are hooked into
>>>the flesh of the lungs.

Yes, this is true. There are some things that are very
difficult for your body to clear away–some take years or
decades or more. However, as surrounding tissues and cells get
enflamed by irritation and by released toxins, a healthy
liver can process these. Keeping the lymphatic system moving
and removing toxins as they accumulate is the key to minimizing
negative health effects.

>>>The main reason that the doctors
>>>said he “may” get cancer is due to the way
>>>that the aspestos makes x-rays of the lungs
>>>near impossible so it’s hard to say for sure
>>>what’s going on in there.

Well this could be a good thing that they aren’t
giving him periodic doses of X-rays “just to check”.
Such “just to be safe” diagnostic methods not only
increase the money they receive but also increase
the likelihood of developing additional problems
from all the radiation. Think of it this way: would
you get periodic chest X-rays just to “make sure”
that you weren’t developing cancer? Bad plan.
Personally, I would only get diagnostic testing if
my health were declining, and I wanted to be able
to get an answer as to what was going on so I
could more accurately plan my next move.

By the way, the doctors telling him he “may” get cancer
is an unfortunate negative thoughtform that a person
shouldn’t identify with. We cultivate what we think about.
A person should not think about what they don’t want;
it only increases its probability of occurrence! A person
should think instead about what they *do* want.

Also, the statement “you may get cancer” could be
accurate for *anyone*; just as “you may get struck
by lightning” is also true. Let’s not worry about
what we can’t control, and start acting on what we
can–which is to ask, “given my current state of being,
what can I do to maximize my growth through the life
experience”. Then let whatever will be, be.

>>>I think if you took Lao Tzu himself and exposed him
>>>to enough aspestos he would end up getting cancer.

Well, we can’t really test that theory!

But keep in mind that for *anything* to affect you, you
have to interact with it on some level. It brings to
the question as to what degree of control and choice
is possible regarding that interaction. Something
to be explored perhaps.

>>>I also totally agree with you that what we
>>>have to use in fighting cancer at the present
>>>moment is barbaric and along the lines of blood
>>>letting, but I also work in a hospital (though
>>>not in the medical field) and I see first hand
>>>people coming into the hospital looking like corpses
>>>and over time they look better and better. I talk to
>>>them on a daily basis; as the hospital I work in has
>>>a well known oncology department with a very good
>>>success rate. People come from all over the world
>>>to go to this hospital. I hear from them and their
>>>family members how thankful they are for the treatment
>>>they got and how it saved their lives. I also know that
>>>it can be a hard long road for these people but more
>>>people survive then don’t.

Well I don’t think “hospitals”=”bad and of no use”.
Nothing is ever black-and-white . . . but I wouldn’t use
them as a first resort, unless it was something acute
like a physical injury where I’m bleeding, etc. If
it’s a more long-term condition, I’m going to try to
do my own work. An outside person can never know you
as well as you know yourself.

As a side note, there’s a lot to the power of belief.
People go to the said hospital believing it is one
of the best, and that they can be helped. That belief
has a lot of power in-and-of-itself for healing . . .
in the same way that some devoted qigong practitioners
believe that the practice can reverse certain chronic
conditions. The same principle is at work here; you
are just using a different “lens”.

>>>Actually the trend in medicine right now is to
>>>include things like accupuncture and massage
>>>along with the more invasive therapies.
>>>Hopefully the future will hold much less invasive,
>>>and far more inclusive, and preventative therapies.

This is a good start, and is fueled in part because
people/patients demand it.

>>>I think that a combination of both, with the
>>>western side beng a last resort, is the best we
>>>can get right now.

This is the ticket.

>>>My main point is that I don’t think that cancers,
>>>proven to be caused by external pathogenic factors,
>>>can be ignored or reduced to internal emotional causes.

Well I don’t plan on taking in large quantities of
pollutants for fun anytime soon. For one, why do I want
to make my body work so much harder to keep itself healthy?

My point is that on some level, you/your body has to
interact with these toxins for them to create problems.
It should be clear that a body skilled at detox is going
to develop less chronic conditions and/or can heal from
them easier than one that can’t. That’s the point.
Your body is constantly killing cancer cells even as we
speak. It is only when the body starts becoming inhibited
from doing what it does naturally that we get “failure”
and “cancer” as we know it begins to grow. Cancer is
simply this failure. Everyone stores *some* repressed anger.
Release it, and now the liver functions better. Then
the body becomes a more efficient detoxifying and healing
machine. Thus cancer probability moves in proportion to
stored anger/frustration. This is source of the
phrase “cancer is repressed anger/frustration”. It is a
shorthand way of saying that the more anger/frustration
you store, then the less effective your body is at
preventing the onset of and at the reversing of cancer.

>>>Now as far as stress today, I would gladly take
>>>the post modern stresses of today then that of the
>>>tribal, or classical society. No police force, life
>>>expectancy of 30, poor diet, unless you were part
>>>of the 1% nobalatis. In Rome 80% of all citizens
>>>were slaves. They were beaten on a regular basis,
(some clipped)

The civilizations, or maybe “uncivilizations”, we should
call them, yes. I was referring to simple people living off
on their own. Problems arose when groups came together
to “organize” . . .

On that end, abuses have changed form. Now rather than
people being subjected to physical torture and psychological
things from outside parties, now it continues on almost as
a collective memory in the form of self-imposed mental stress.
The feeling of needing to work yourself to death to appear
normal in society. A slave to the system.

The problem in any of these scenarios, whether it be distant
past or future, is not the miserable conditions, torture,
what have you–it’s the helplessness. That’s the real evil.

>>>If you have a roof over your head and food in your cupboard,
>>>and you always have, then you probably don’t know what real stress is.

Does food and sustenance make a life?
The poor starving beggar can be far richer than the wealthiest man.

Best,
Steven

The only thing I might add here is that remember
when you look at history, you are looking at it
from an outside lens. Having not actually lived
in those times, you can’t say with absolute certainty.
True, maybe a lot of what you say did indeed go on,
but maybe not to the extent that we are led to believe.

For instance, people who visit New York City sometimes
are under the impression that just simply walking down
the street you are virtually assured to get mugged
and/or shot; or people who visit Alaska are under the
impression that it is simply not OK to hike into the woods,
because it is extremely likely to get eaten by a bear; or
people who visit Israel are under the impression they
will die at any moment from a terrorist bomb. While all
these things do indeed happen, they do not happen to
the extent that we build them up in our minds to be.
The people that actually live in those areas will confirm
that these things happen, but that they don’t happen
nearly to the extent that outsiders believe them to be.
Just imagine how much more so this is in fact true when
we are not even considering the same time period.

Without casting any further opinions, I think I’ll just
end on that open-ended thought . . . and tip my hat
to your superior background in anthropology, as I know
you are more schooled in it than I am 🙂 Now math and physics
on the other hand, that’s more my specialty . . . 🙂

Smiles,
Steven

“For instance, people who visit New York City sometimes
are under the impression that just simply walking down
the street you are virtually assured to get mugged
and/or shot;” ….. No that would be Baltimore the city that I am from. hehehehe

Actually Steven your right it is hard for anyone, even the most skilled anthropologist, to really say for sure what it was like. I think if we prob took my version and your version and smoooothed them out it would probably be a lot closer to what it was really like…

You know I have always admired people with math skills. I am dyslexic and it has always hampered my abilities with math. Mix up two letters in a word and most people can still figure out the word. Mix up just one number and it is completely fouled up. I am pretty good with science, except chemistry which is just like algebra with chemicals.

Anyway Steven as always it was a great exchange. Sometimes, to me, these boards are not about being right or being wrong but seeing and learning about new perspectives, whether you totally agree with them becomes secondary. I mean Tibettan monks spend most of their days in debate, even more so then in meditation.To argue or defend a point exposes the blind spots to both parties and from that new perspectives are born. Thanks again Steven. Until next time,

Peace & Tao
Shenchi

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