Conservation of Jing: Please help.

I’ll give you my answer and you can take it from me, everyone will disagree! 🙂

Here’s my take: you don’t lose jing from ejaculating really. You do lose it from guilt over ejaculating and Michael I think has already pointed this out elsewhere. However ejaculatory sex (please I must repeat this is MY experience only!) does not give the full possible range of emotions and healing etc. for a man. It is like a quick way out from dealing with emotional sexual expression in my own life. I *personally* believe people ‘lose jing by ejaculating’ because they are using sex to reconfirm their lack of self-worth as men. This is a rather different issue from the idea that you lose it because of squirting out semen. It is an emotional and self issue in other words rather than a kind of mechanical one.

I really like the techniques taught at http://www.multiples.com 🙂 I have always had an affinity with non-ejaculatory and even completely non-physical sex, and I found the methodology there really enhanced what I tend to do naturally. Personally I stay very strongly away from the old Mantak books. I don’t agree with their principles or with their practice, which involved becoming very physically aroused and then blocking ejaculation. I don’t like the idea and I never practiced it, never will.

If you get to the point where you can choose whether or not to ejaculate, have multiple orgasms without physical stimulation, and be able to get off on the subtlest of erotic arousals and sensations as opposed to the incredibly unsubtle ones currently being provided everywhere in our culture 🙂 I believe you will not ‘lose jing’. I think ‘jing loss’ is by far more a case of being attached to outworn negative things in the energy body which do not allow love to be expressed throughout the system but relegate it to the physical genital area only. The confirmation of this for me came as I learned to have sex without physical contact and was in the process forced to confront alot of emotional stuff from the past. It is these that ’cause jing loss’, to me; they block the self from being present.

That is why guilt over ejaculating will lose you more jing than ejaculating without any concept of ‘needing to hoard sperm’ floating around in your mind, in my opinion. The negative thought becomes associated with the pleasure but fights it, and naturally saps off the positive love vibe.

So that’s what I think! Now I will brace myself for the extent to which everyone disagrees with me… I have to say in this area I can’t see how there would be a ‘right way’ though.

Best of luck on your own personal journey with this, Jason

I am interested to know WHY you want to conserve your male sexual energy?

Do you feel you don’t have enough male sexual energy?
You want to be a better partner in bed?
Do you feel exhausted after sex?
Is it the idea of spiritual enlightenment?

Answers on this can shed a light on the reason why you seem to be in trouble with it. But this is an open forum and you might feel unwilling to share these intimate things.

Your question is more a Practice question but you don’t need to apology nor feel you are rude asking something so important to you. We are not here to judge but to help each other.

Jason can you enlight us with some of the basic ideas/exercises of multiples.com?

… the reason I was thinking about it for asthmatic there is really because it will settle once and for all why sex is losing him energy. All over the CDs for multiples is stuff about what they call ’emotional furballs’, that is, things which prevent emotional connection to sexuality and intimacy in men, being brought up by the practice. Time and again, it seems, – was the same with me too – it turns out a man can’t be having multiple non-ejaculatory orgasms unless he is emotionally comfortable with himself, with sex and intimacy. Often you feel definite ‘stuff’ standing in the way of joy and pleasure in your body, definite issues popping up. To me it’s these issues that reduce your energy in sex, it’s not a sperm mechanism.

So if asthmatic goes this route he will find if he has these issues which I am guessing is far more likely than a mechanical problem with ejaculation as I say. You and I both know that people are often using celibacy in spirituality as a negative thing, as a way of not dealing with life, people who have ‘incarnation issues’ etc. who don’t like the idea of being in a body and who want to use the spiritual to disengage from life – exactly the kind of people Michael talks about from the TM movement in the latest chiflowsnaturally for example. To me that kind of thing is 180deg different from the positive and disciplined use of witholding oneself from sexual activity to explore what happens or to build energy – I believe Michael did go celibate for a while and since he still does sexual practice one can draw one’s own conclusions.

The fact for me is that Mantak’s (and Michael’s! :)) old book, which I did read BTW, didn’t explore these emotional things at all for men. What is being done now on the audio course I don’t know yet, but the multiples methodology did automatically bring up lingering feelings in me that I needed to resolve and it was as valuable in that way for me as it was in giving me piles of orgasms! The two go together in other words. Either you are able to make a deep connection with yourself and another person, or else there will always be something missing in sex for you.

That’s what Alexander was trying to say as well I believe, so I hope asthmatic ponders it well! The stereotypical celibate spiritual seeker is a damaging oversimplification, to me it seems that centuries of people not addressing sex as part of their practice has damaged human karma quite unpleasantly. I know it doesn’t happen here because sex is still emphasized but I have met people, magicians even, who just thought they were above it all, and thus above the common ruck. This is to cut oneself off emotionally.

I’ll stop now!!!! 🙂

J

Creeping feeling could also be health imbalance,emotional resistance amplified by sexual energy.

Asthmatic,
I suggest you try the Healing Love audio course – AFTER you’ve done Qigong Fundamentals and Fusion homestudy courses. The full week homestudy course has the female perspective of my partner, who has tested these methods for 20 years. It’s all 100% guaranteed, return it if not happy/not your path.

The first book I wrote for Mantak Chia is nearly 25 years old, the audio courses update that with: best and simplest methods that don’t interfere with sex, how to integrate emotional body, which energetic pathways are easiest and differences between them, how to avoid guilt, focus on recirculation, etc etc. The lesser kan and li is the doorway to spriitual sex,b ut you arent likely to be successful at that without doing the prerequisites.

All of Nnoonth’s concerns are addressed by studying this in sequence. You need training in chi cultivation overall, not just sexual energy. That what’s the Fundamentals and Fusion tgive you, and why I always recommend people study them first, instead of thinking it just a problem of having the right sexual technique.

The sexual moaning and groaning technique is not just on mulitiples, it is being sold by other sites as well, re-packaged. Sound moves chi, it is that simple. I suggest adepts use the healing sounds, and be more precise in which organs they tonify or want to direct it to (usually heart sound for men). Groaning moves kidney chi. But simply re-circulating post-natal sex energy is the beginners level. Capturing it into a vessel and refining its vibration is the spiritual work. Couples can do this for each other to some degeree, depends on their level of spiritual development.

Your intutiion is correct, sexual energy is the alchemical elixir essential for rapid and profound spiritual alchemical work.

Hope this helps.

love, chi, blessings,
michael

ps heading back into a retreat, may not be answering further enquiries qucikly.