Fusion of 5 elements and emotions, question

Hello Eric,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my posts.
Note: Don’t take anything I say personally. Despite
possible appearances, I do try to treat everyone fairly.

Let me respond to both of your posts simultaneously here.

>>>A few more points. I don’t know anything about Michael’s
>>>adaptations of the Healing Tao system. I never studied with him.
>>>If you don’t have this light(of Heaven) energy to circulate,
>>>then you really have nothing to circulate in the MCO except
>>>your own thoughts.

If you’ve already mastered your own version, and you have time
to kill, you might want to check into his stuff actually. In particular,
some of his methods for opening the Micro are quite powerful
and resolve the problem of just having the micro be a mental game.
For instance, using qigong to open the orbit eliminates the
“using thoughts” problem;

ALSO:

In particular his Wudang Mtn. Method of opening the Micro makes
almost every other method for opening the orbit seem like a joke,
and it is fully embodied. To be perfectly honest, I don’t know
why other senior instructors stubbornly want to stick with
traditional methods when this is a million times better.

Yes, this does sound like I’m just being a “Michael fan”, but
I do give other senior instructors a fair shake–and a
number of them do have quality things to offer, but this
is one thing they couldn’t be more wrong about, if they tried.
A number of his “adaptations” ARE better. They ARE!!
But they are too damn stubborn and egotistical to try them.

This is yet another reason to always act as a beginner and
have beginner’s mind. If you think you know it all, you
close yourself off to possible growth.

And TO BE FAIR, I’ll weigh your methods into the mix as well.

>>>I was also his lawyer and did the closings and sales
>>>on the 2 houses he owned in Huntington, as well as a
>>>number of other legal matters. I really am not invested
>>>in being called Master.

I heard a *rumor* that you asked him to name you Master in
exchange for the legal work you did for him. I’m not making
this up; it’s what I heard. It makes me wonder a little bit
about your motivations if actually true . . .

But I’m personally not really a fan of this whole “master”
title thing anyway. Outside of the Healing Tao, I’m about
a year away from getting a PhD in math, and to be honest
the math I’m doing as compared to something “most people consider
difficult” (say calculus) is like the difference between
Shakespeare and the alphabet. I could very EASILY call
myself a MASTER in that field, and it wouldn’t be a lie.
But it’s kind of an arrogant thing to do. Think about it.
You should let your achievements stand on their own and
let others discover for themselves “how advanced you are”.
Just my opinion; take it for what you will; you did mention
about “killing the ego”; so you should think about if the “master”
title serves that.

>>>There is only one person that I actively teach and that is my wife Dian.

So I take it that you are not really a workshop person or a DVD
person; just prefer to have people read your books and ask
questions if they dig your stuff? If that’s the case, that’s fair;
but just want to understand your position.

>>>I’ve heard of a number of people who have had bad experiences
>>>from the Healing Tao sexual practices. In the 15 years since
>>>my 1st book was published, I have never heard of or
>>>from anyone who had bad experiences learning from my books,

Depending on what you are referring to, there could be some
legitimacy to your comment about people having “bad experiences”
from the Healing Tao sexual practices. Can you elaborate on
what you are talking about? Let’s not speak in vague terms.

>>>If my last post, which I posted before I saw your request to clarify,
>>>didn’t sufficiently answer your question [some clipped]

[numbering added myself]

>>>1. My system starts in the head then works downward.

>>>2. I’m also very concerned with quieting the mind.

>>>3. it is broken down into coherent weekly lessons [some clipped] and
>>>each week considts of exercises for the 3 Treasures of
>>>Taoism, Chi, Jing and Shen you don’t have to guess
>>>about what to practice

>>>4. I would describe “100 Days” as pretty much a combination
>>>of the Healing Tao and Richard Wilhelm’s translation of
>>>”The Secret of the Golden Flower”.

>>>5. I didn’t make anything up, I just organized it.

This is sort of what I was looking for.
Basically, it sounds like you really are doing the Healing Tao
practices, or at least a variant thereof; just changed the
order that you do things in, and add in the beginning the
“tip of the nose” practice.

>>>However, my system gives you a firm foundation.
>>>It works well with any Healing Tao course and much of
>>>at least “100 Days” and to a lesser extent
>>>”Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” are based on what I learned
>>>from Mantak Chia.

So do both books cover the same material? Is one book a
follow-up book to the other one? Are they separate materials?
What do you usually instruct people to do?

Feel free to respond or not. I won’t take it personally.

My best to you,
Steven

Dear Dog:
I certainly did not have problems from mixing Taoist practices with Magick.If you have to know, it’s mostly a bunch of rubbish spread around by Michael after Chia named me a master. I read some of the things he wrote about me, absolute nonsense.
I did have problems when my first wife died from breast cancer in 1999, but this had nothing to do with Taoism or magick, except to the extent that with everything I knew, I could not save her life. Things did get hairy for awhile, I quit law, turned my back on Taoism, worked as a mercenary for awhile(that’s how I managed to get myself arrested for having a samurai sword an an Uzi in my car-it worked itself out), became an Aston Martin dealer, married Sparkle(who is a lawyer and writer and previously was a runway and lingerie model, ballerina and gymnast-if I knew how to do it, I’d post a picture of her here-she really is beautiful and she’s much nicer than me and she’s a walking embodiment of Healing Love) and finally decided to become a modern day Taoist-Sorcerer Hermit. You should see the view of Mt.Washington, from the edge of my driveway.

Eric Yudelove

Same you are not teaching or giving seminars. I would love to have you down to teach some seminars. But I understand if it is not calling to you. Blessings.

Dog,

Please read my post again, and actually LISTEN to the words that I’m speaking.

My comment about the Wudang orbit being so great was to try
to provide some motivation for someone to actually want to look
into it, especially if they have a lot of experience.
Not that people can’t make up their own minds.

My emphasis in that discussion was an attack on this attitude
that I’m a “master” or I’m a senior instructor and therefore
I have nothing whatsoever to learn and WON’T EVEN CONSIDER LOOKING
into something else.

This is pure arrogant stupidity.

Once you think you know everything and you are not even willing to
look at what else might be possible, you close yourself off to growth.
This is my comment about the Michael’s Wudang orbit say.

Yes, I personally feel that it is much more powerful than any other
traditional Healing Tao method–a personal judgement yes–but
many senior instructors are not even willing to TRY IT because they feel
they know everything already. And my point is, how do you
know that there isn’t something even better than what you currently
know, NO MATTER HOW MUCH EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE.

Even M. Chia still looks into new stuff and is adding new stuff
ALL THE TIME . . . buys a ton of new alchemical resources from
other instructors, always eager to learn. To me, if anything,
this demonstrates HIS INTELLIGENCE and makes me respect him
even MORE. Humble and always eager to learn. These are good qualities.

No matter how experienced a person gets, they should always
be open to new possibilities and new things to try, and have
a joyful curious child-like interest in looking into these things.

S

Your system of the starting in the upper dan tien sounds similar to michael’s method of the inner smile meditation.

We have had this discussion extensively on this forum about “killing the ego”. Do you recognize the five shen of the vital organs in your method of meditation? If not, then it would be substantially different than the healing tao and Michael’s adaptations of it. The five shen are the foundation.

I’m not trying to push anything on anyone.
I think you extrapolated a little too far.
Let me try to explain:

When I asked Eric how his system differed,
he said it differed by the fact that he starts
with the tip of the nose practice. The reason
he mentioned was that without doing it, you are
basically just doing the micro moving thoughts
with weak qi.

While that may be the case with standard methods,
I do NOT believe that to be the case with the Wudang orbit
or the orbit qigong form for instance.

I was offering an alternative for him to check out, since
he had mentioned earlier that he had NO IDEA what Michael
taught. My comment was along the lines of “oh, you have
a method that helps combat the weak micro problem; well,
here’s another one; you might want to check out; maybe
you could add it to your arsenal” not one of “Michael
is better than Eric”. The latter is foolish childish
rivalry nonsense that I couldn’t give a crap about.
This is basically the reason why a lot of the other
senior instructors I mentioned oftentimes won’t check
out and test run what the others are doing, i.e.
“that’s Michael’s stuff I don’t want to do that;
I don’t want to learn any of his stuff (using Michael
as an example, but it doesn’t have to be him)”. Even
in these recent posts, Eric ridiculed other instructors
for not doing his technique or at the least doing
it in the Sealing course at the end rather than the beginning,
and yet he’s not interested in another potentially powerful method?
That’s seems pretty curious to me, and just demonstrates more of
this rivalry shit that I hate. You can learn things
from other people without having to “bow down” to them
or admit some kind of superior-inferior dynamic; it
doesn’t have to be that way.

The bottom line is, I take issue with this attitude of
“this other senior instructor is my rival so I’m not
going to test any of that person’s stuff”.

This is childish BULLSHIT.

Yes, you are right there is the same thing in
graduate school with grad students acting as rivals,
trying to one up the other, not wanting to show
“weakness” by admitting that another graduate student
knows something you do not, etc. This is bullshit also.
But you are wrong to say that I have a similar rivalry
with the other grad students. I see this behavior in
the other grad students and it sickens me, so I mostly
just avoid them and do my own thing. And when I’m
in a situation of learning, I am not afraid to show what
I don’t understand, despite snickering and sneering from
others. The funny thing is, is that if I press these
snickering people I often find out that they know less
than I do. It just demonstrates how pride gets in the way.

And to be honest with you; REALLY HONEST WITH YOU; I’ve
hated this grad student RIVALRY ARROGANCE PRIDE bullshit
with graduate students–and with a lot of faculty I might
add–that I’ve SERIOUSLY reconsidered whether or not I
even WANT to work in academia and be surrounded by that shit.

How much more true should it be that rivalry should not
exist when dealing with spiritual tools? Really!

Can’t we really all just drop this “I’m better than you” crap,
and just learn from each other?

Steven