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March 10, 2007 at 6:07 am #21561wendyParticipant
Yes we are our own creators, yet we ALL together are creators, and how we ‘play’ with each other has effect on the big picture.
I took time yesterday to let this all blend in and feel what is best for all players involved, what makes me happy when she is happy and vice versa.
What she mirrors is a woman who wants a better life, for herself and her children, she hoped to find it in the West. She is willing to sacrifice a lot, even the nearness of her own children. It is only because of the work I offered she is able to go back with a smile on her face. I kept her away from the necessity of using sex as an alternative, or an unhappy marriage.
It is that striving for independence that triggers my attention… because on a higher plane I am looking something similar right in the face.
That is why I support her as a winner, not a victim. I want that for myself, I no longer want to be caught by the victimhood of women, and this is a high goal I tell you… because it is like a brand on our souls…That is why I support any woman who comes in for help or work IF the fire of independence is burning in their eyes and souls.
… the Mongolian woman is just one…
there is a woman from Colombia, there is a married woman with 4 children who desperate wants a divorce but needs money to do that, there is an older woman who because of her divorce ended up as a cleaning dwarf… I offer them help and work, so they can uplift themselves from their situation, No coincidence that it are exactly that type of women who end up with me….And just last week I gave work to a gay man… who is very insecure in his ‘being’ but I smell the fire, so the door is open for him to step in.
I see my inner work and issues reflected in the outer world, this all discussion and question was not about a laptop of course and I never doubted to go to the retreat 😉
March 10, 2007 at 7:13 am #21563snowlionParticipantSometimes We Have To Cut Off The Finger; To Save The Hand”
I feel you should follow through with the plane ticket; it sounds like you want to go the distant with this. The above saying relates as “defending those that cannot” & “self sacrifice”; “taking a step forward for the better good”. This will open other doors of gratitude and much more. The payback emotionally and karmically will be numerous.
The Dao pays back those who unconditionally serve others; you have served her tremedously, but I get a feeling that you want to seal this off with the whole deal. The workshop here could be right here in front of you of “choice & choosing”, which we all face every moment in our life.
I fell that choosing to go the distance will be tremendous and more satisfactory for you personally down the road when you think about her. You will know you did the right thing. Stopping now and parting your ways can also be of value, but the knowing of the unkown might bring chaos to the wandering mind. You can take class, a workshop anytime because of your situation in the modern world. You have access and means and she will not which will trickle down in the family chain. A computer could be a great learning tool for them to have access in life.
Your sacrifice will spark great change and opportunity for her & you;-but you have to do what is right for yourself also; ask yourself will this cause you more peace or friction with going the distance?
You two have been put together for a reason on both ends-the lesson here could be if you go the distance, the blessing will come. And that could apply for both party’ws involved.
thanks for sharing your situation it’s a great reminder to me of staying the course and helping those who cannot.
If I was in her shoes, I would be grateful to have met someone like you in a new land.
Good luck in all that you choose and do…Snowlion
March 10, 2007 at 9:20 am #21565wendyParticipantThank you all for your feedback and thoughts…the internal deduction is made and I am able to see my motivations and actions:reactions more clear now, thanks!
March 10, 2007 at 6:24 pm #21567ferrisiamParticipantSo if we have faith in Jesus and tell you to go away, will you? You seem like a Christian fanatic try going to Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland and the like, they would probably welcome you with open arms…and your money too. Seriously seek psychiatric help, then buy Qigong fundamentals #1, work with it for at least acouple of years. Forget all this light circulation stuff for when you are more shall we say more stable. Baby steps for you!
March 10, 2007 at 7:16 pm #21569singing oceanParticipantIf you have a choice between feeling guilty or resentful, feel guilty instead. Resentment eats away at you while you can forgive yourself of guilt.
March 10, 2007 at 7:48 pm #21571wendyParticipantIndeed Max, through my open question on this forum, I made a deduction from a material laptop to the real reason of my question…
How much water did I poor into the wine in the past to fit something that was not in resonance with my own heart. How much did I compromise not listening to my inner voice…. stretching it open to womanhood in general.
Where, when and why did I/we loose our innocense, our pride and esteem… in this life time and stretched into space and time.This laptop question ripped open a much more deeper question, finding that by helping her I healed something inside of myself. Offering her respect and appreciation I offered it to myself.
It is difficult to explain how I made this deduction but it is.
and yes I already did plenty, there is peace in my mind/heart. A laptop or any extra gift would not offer any extra dimension to what we already exchanged in the subtle… she knows what I gave her, and today I know what I received…March 11, 2007 at 12:09 am #21573Simon V.ParticipantWhen I was living in Germany (Stuttgart area) I was once approached by a woman who was a refugee from the eastern european crisis (around 2000). I simply don’t remember what nationality she was in that mix–nor do I care.
I was riding on the train home to the town I was living in with my now ex wife (who is still a great friend I’m happy to say), from teaching English in Stuggart. I noticed that a woman was taking interest in me, an interest I at first took to be that kind of interest vanity would always like it to be. But then I began to pick up on a deep, existential intensity to her manner of regarding me, something beyond the bourgois everyday world most everyone else including me was floating in.
I got out off the train. She followed and came up beside me. She offered to give me a tarot reading, offered in a way that was very serious emotionally. The kind of energy I got from her was like that from an intelligent friend in need. She was fairly young, maybe early twenties, attractive.
I thanked her but no, I didn’t want a tarot reading. She kept following me; I had not rejected her as a person, just her tarot reading; I knew something heavy was going down with her. I noticed another detail: her German was very polished, grammatically correct, well pronounced. Here was someone who in her native situation had gotten a good education, who’d probably come from a relatively ‘well-placed’ family.
She opened up. She was a refugee who indeed had had a good situation originally, but now she had used up her resources, didn’t know if her husband or parents were alive or dead and couldn’t get any leads on them, and her landlord was going to kick her and her kids out in a few weeks if she didn’t come up with the rent. She had approached other men, men who looked like they had money, who had alluded that if certain favours were granted, they would give her lots of money… She had refused. She was resisting the spiral into prostitution. She was trusting me with her true situation, which was mortally serious, terrifying for her and her kids.
I walked to the bank machine of my local bank as we walked and talked. I could only really rationally afford about two thirds of her rent–otherwise I would no longer have been able to pull my weight in my household for that month. She asked once for more, but I refused. She would have to find others, or use the money to change her circumstances in another way apart from placating a slum landlord. She accepted that, and was grateful for what was given. My feeling is that that was enough, and she was already helped by a human gesture. You have to pick and choose in a world that has few easy answers–if another such individual had come along ten minutes later, I would have had to say no, etc. I wish I’d been then in a position to offer her some work (she was obviously competent–but had no work visa), but wasn’t.
When I was a kid part of how my single mom mother made a living for us was as a lifeguard. I asked her to tell me about that one time. One of the things she said was part of the training, was that when a person is desperate, drowning, you need to take care that you don’t let them take you down with them in the intensity of their panic–that would apply to even someone you love dearly–because that doesn’t serve either of you. Help out without sacrificing your own balance. Actually, that is a lesson I still find hard–certainly I have partially learned it the hard way, and have the heart-wounds to show for it. (But shall we live never getting our hands dirty?)
Still, the above doesn’t necessarily provide an answer to your situation, which has a different character to it, but I thought I’d share it as it is along the same lines of weighing the needs of ‘me’ versus ‘you’, where we’re all swimming in the same pond, and if one goes down, drowning in dark, poisonous despair, the whole pond is leeched of some light.
Simon
March 11, 2007 at 6:27 am #21575wendyParticipant”Help out without sacrificing your own balance”
”weighing the needs of ‘me’ versus ‘you’, where we’re all swimming in the same pond, and if one goes down, drowning in dark, poisonous despair, the whole pond is leeched of some light. ”
Really nice Simon, thanks for this and thanks for sharing your story….
March 11, 2007 at 6:23 pm #21577ferrisiamParticipantWow that was so deep, you are truly an enlightened being, I was totally out of line in calling you a joke. Did anyone note the sarcasm? Inner smile, and healing sounds are where you need to begin.
March 12, 2007 at 7:12 am #21579NnonnthParticipantCheck this out!:
I’M PAOLINO!!!!!
PHILOSOPHINO!!!
I FUCK WOMEN I’M IMMORTAL YES IT’S TRUE!!!!!!!!!I’M PAOLINO!!!!
SAGERINO!!!!
AND NOW I’M HERE I’M GOING TO SHOUT AT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!FOR I CAN SHOUT OUT LOUD ENOUGH!!!!
(THE REASON IS, I’M PROUD ENOUGH!!!!)
THAT ANYTHING I SHOUT ABOUT!!!!!
THERE CAN’T BE ANY DOUBT ABOUT!!!!!!!!
YOU ONLY NEED TO YELL IT OUT!!!!!
AND EVERYONE CAN SMELL IT OUT –THE TRUTH!!!!!!
THAT’S WHAT I CRY!!!!!
THE TRUTH!!!!!
WILL NEVER DIE!!!!!!
AND NEITHER!!!!!
WILL I!!!!!!AND I’LL SEAL MY PROCLAMATION!!!!!
WITH SOME MARKS OF EXCLAMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHICH IT’S NO EXAGGERATION!!!!!!
WILL JUST PROVE BY ITERATION!!!!!!!!THAT I’M RIGHT!!!!!!
SO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!
THERE’S NO OTHER RIGHT!!!!!!!!
IN SIGHT!!!!!!I’M PAOLINO, YES IT’S TRUE!!!!!!
AND WITH FOOLS I AM AT WAR!!!!!!!!
THAT’S PAOLINO-TZU TO YOU!!!!!!!!
NOW I MUST GO FUCK A WHORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!Taking a break from this stupid, stupid, stupid board – a very extended one.
Goodbye, NN
March 12, 2007 at 7:22 am #21581wendyParticipantDon’t let him caught you Nnonnth, he is sick…
March 12, 2007 at 12:06 pm #21583voiceParticipantnone
March 13, 2007 at 5:05 am #21585ferrisiamParticipantVery mature!! Healing sounds is what you need.
March 13, 2007 at 5:13 am #21587ferrisiamParticipantHe’s resorted to calling me an animal groper. How intellectual. Has he offered even one thing constuctive out of the 112 posts he’s made? I doubt if he’s ever even performed any type of meditation in his life, perhaps read about it but certainly didnt understand what he’s reading. Nice to know Im not the only one who thinks this guys acting foolish
March 13, 2007 at 5:15 am #21589ferrisiamParticipantBenny Hinn is calling you back to his sheeple, oops I meen people.
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