- This topic has 21 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 6 years, 12 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
You can only help people who are really troubled by life. Those individuals struggle in their life to collect themselves. Teaching something very exoteric will always be very popular, but it hardly brings people to the Way.
I always put people back to a normal worldly life to cure them, to help them. It is very hard work. You need to assist them, because they don’t like life in the world. They want deliverance and salvation away from the world. They don’t like to be cured by being restored to their normal track of life. Year after year I just guide people back to their good life. It’s the most di cult thing to do; it’s really challenging. – Taoist Ni Hua Ching, 1993 interview, Empty Vessel
Some questions :
If you open the door and push them away, or if you close the door and push them away, what is the difference ?
If a person is refusing reluctant and resisting his “ordinary american life” doesn’t this indicate the Tao wants to grow ? Isn’t the Tao always growing ? Isn’t non-interference a Taoist aim ?
Isn’t the whole problem that most spiritual teachers have little or no attainment and being unable to actually help anyone they fall into a number of habitual responses as part of the theatre of being a super-master : (a) yes keep practicing something will happen someday, I presume (b) you are not ready (c) don’t be so haughty even “I” have not attained anything yet (d) obviously it takes many lifetimes to get anywhere and don’t expect.
Such teachers actually fulfil the Tao in a negative way by creating barriers to growth, and only the really deserving will ditch such teachers and find somebody who can help them.
Is the past really so great ? Look at the state of mankind. The old ways are worth something, but only because of the total poverty of human society.
Is Taoism really the Tao, or is it just a tradition of an ape-species that may or may not at one time have approximated some aspect of the universal reality ?
Is “normal american life” really normal at all ?
For that matter is any human life really normal ?
Or is it terrible suffering that really we should be encouraging to move on change evolve create … anything to change it, because in the USA the world leader there is child slavery / prostitution / pornography amongst the many disgraceful things, and frankly we need any brave soul to bring any light here.
Isn’t that really our situation ?And individually will we lie on the bed coughing up blood at the end of our life in an enlightened immortal state knowing fully that we are already beyond, or will we just be clutching ideas and stories some nice old man told us and a few photos of those good times?
The Tao is vast, powerful, unending, unswerving, and beyond human.
And if we are to sing its song, let’s get busy singing it.
The lungs of Tao are deep.Sorry for my broken English.
One shouldn’t expect perfection from conditions which are particularly meant to be imperfect.
Also I don’t think most of quite well known religions are seriously speaking about ultimate reality.
So one shouldn’t look for some kind of safety heaven, but try to develop control in/at different desirable levels.
…master : (a) yes keep practicing something will happen someday, I presume…
Many important things need very long preparation; one shouldn’t become impatient to make spiritual/bodily progress.
HOWDY
Ps. Recommended LaVey translations of the Enochian Calls although he might seem to be somehow repulsive to Daoist practitioners.
So, let’s take a look then …
Excerpts from the Satanic Bible (LaVey)
SATANISM represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
You cannot love everyone; it is ridiculous to think you can. If you love everyone and everything you lose your natural powers of selection and wind up being a pretty poor judge of character and quality. If anything is used too freely it loses its true meaning.
Therefore, the Satanist believes you should love strongly and completely those who deserve your love, but never turn the other cheek to your enemy!Love is one of the most intense emotions felt by man; another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. If you try to love everyone you only lessen your feelings for those who deserve your love. Repressed hatred can lead to many physical and emotional ailments.
By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones.
Satanism has been thought of as being synonymous with cruelty and brutality. This is so only because people are afraid to face the truth.
Love everyone : a “human” it is true cannot love everyone, as he lives in a dimension of polarities, however your soul can ‘love’ everyone as that is the soul’s nature … love everyone as an instruction is an effort to align your human with the soul to speed your spiritual process.Repression : for sure humans live in a total lie full of repression and self-deceit. Most people hearing “love everyone” will just use it as a way to lie to themselves and remove the responsibility from themselves of being honest. The problem is that few humans can hear the essence of spiritual teachings, they are not ready.
Release your hatred towards others : yes release your hatred, but your hatred is your hatred, why bring “others” into it. Forget others they are all messed up just like you. If one is to progress one must orient oneself without others.
Hating your foes : but are other humans, your foes ? Or is it you yourself ? One must make this distinction or you will fight the wrong thing.
Tao Te Ching : a violent man will die a violent death, this is the essence of my teaching. Laozi.
LaVey’s Satanism book, truthfully I can appreciate as I loathe the falseness and disgusting lying that goes on by all the smiling deceitful monkeys, but at the same time we must progress and to progress we cannot use deranged monkeys as our reference points. Beating them means little.
We must enter the Light, the Truth, the Real.
Look at the birds of the air:
They do not sow or reap or gather into barns —
and yet your Heavenly Father feeds them.
Are you not much more valuable than they ?Jesus of Nazareth
-http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/EnochianKeys.html-
The Fourteenth Key in English O you Sons and Daughters of Satan,
Who sit upon 24 seats vexing he
Who sits on the holy throne in heaven.
Behold! the voice of Satan!
The promise of Him
Who is called amongst you extreme justice!
Move therefore and show yourselves!
Open the mysteries of your Creation!
Be friendly unto me!
For I am the servant of the same!
The true worshipper of Satan/Lucifer
In glory and power exalted
Of the Kingdom of the South
Truth is a silent thing.
LaVey wanted to struggle and fight the power, but he lived in ignorance,
The Truth does not oppose you, it is so silent that your self-violence becomes obvious.
It’s a shame as he was sensitive.
Actually it’s in the notes for the (collection) album below where Don Henley admits that the Eagles had two album (One of These Nights & The Hotel California) satanic country rock period.
HOWDY
Songwriters: MICHAEL BUTLER, RONNIE DIO, TONY IOMMI, WILLIAM WARD
Heaven And Hell lyrics © T.R.O. INC.Sing me a song, you’re a singer
Do me a wrong, you’re a bringer of evil
The Devil is never a maker
The less that you give, you’re a taker
So it’s on and on and on
… It’s Heaven and Hell, oh wellThe lover of life’s not a sinner
The ending is just a beginner
The closer you get to the meaning
The sooner you’ll know that you’re dreaming
So it’s on and on and on
Oh it’s on and on and on
It goes on and on and on, Heaven and Hell
I can tell, fool, fool!Well, if it seems to be real, it’s illusion
For every moment of truth, there’s confusion in life
Love can be seen as the answer
But nobody bleeds for the dancer
And it’s on and on, on and on and on….They say that life’s a carousel
Spinning fast, you’ve got to ride it well
The world is full of Kings and Queens
Who blind your eyes then steal your dreams
… It’s Heaven and Hell, oh wellAnd they’ll tell you black is really white
The moon is just the sun at night
And when you walk in golden halls
You get to keep the gold that falls
It’s Heaven and HellNo no fool, fool!
You got to bleed for the dancer!
Fool, fool, look for the answer!
Fool, fool, fool!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_unconscious
Collective unconscious (German: kollektives Unbewusstes), a term coined by Carl Jung, refers to structures of the unconscious mind which are shared among beings of the same species. According to Jung, the human collective unconscious is populated by instincts and by archetypes: universal symbols such as The Great Mother, the Wise Old Man, the Shadow, the Tower, Water, the Tree of Life, and many more.
Jung considered the collective unconscious to underpin and surround the unconscious mind, distinguishing it from the personal unconscious of Freudian psychoanalysis. He argued that the collective unconscious had profound influence on the lives of individuals, who lived out its symbols and clothed them in meaning through their experiences. The psychotherapeutic practice of analytical psychology revolves around examining the patient’s relationship to the collective unconscious.
Who cares about the unconscious ?
The unconscious people are un… conscious, they don’t really exist.In fact the entire Universe is unconscious, or more properly sub-conscious. It is like a gigantic machine a mechanism, including all forces celestial bodies and organic beings. They carry on their meaningless garbage over and over, on and on and on and on.
Just turn on the radio and you can hear the sound of it, it just goes on and on and on.
Any beings in this sub-conscious world do not really exist, they are more like ants in an anthill, clockwork creatures, little Pinocchios. When they die, they are ploughed under and a new generation of ants is born. Most spirituality is part of this mechanical game, just chinese whispers, echos, half-thoughts from half-people.
Consciousness bring a sudden cessation to all of this.
Then there is only Light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvrY2IID5E
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut-up_technique-
Cut-up is performed by taking a finished and fully linear text and cutting it in pieces with a few or single words on each piece. The resulting pieces are then rearranged into a new text, such as in poems by Tristan Tzara as described in his short text, TO MAKE A DADAIST POEM. Fold-in is the technique of taking two sheets of linear text (with the same linespacing), folding each sheet in half vertically and combining with the other, then reading across the resulting page, such as in The Third Mind. It is Burroughs and Gysin’s joint development.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Trudeau_(biker)-
Yves “Apache” Trudeau (1946–2008), also known as “The Mad Bumper”, was a Canadian former member of the Hells Angels North Chapter outlaw motorcycle gang in Laval, Quebec. Frustrated by cocaine addiction and his suspicion that his fellow gang members wanted him dead he became a government informant. In exchange he received a lenient sentence, life in prison but eligible for parole after seven years, for the killing of 43 people from September 1973 to July 1985.
…consciousness bring a sudden cessation to all of this…
It’s actually much more complicated.
Mostly this “consciousness” is immediately only hostile.
So there is still very much to practice and learn.
…any beings in this sub-conscious world do not really exist…
And this is reason why one should stop identifying with these misguided and self-indulgent ghosts; there is no need for any kind of false compassion.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDY
I was crossing the city one day, everybody was flashing by me Like images of tombstones, images of tombstones, On a Friday night I’ve seen everybody looking for their little bit of honey To alleviate the pain, to alleviate the pain…
-KULA SHAKER, Hey Dude
I agree that the “music is quite good in hell” but …
Why doesn’t incremental enlightenment work ?
Well … if you are crazy monkey living in a swamp you should forget the idea that you are going to sort of gradually work your way out.
That is not going to happen.
That in itself the illusion of this place.
Hell keeps people working.
Hell keeps people in its illusion.
In fact you need help from the outside.When the Light comes everything withers in its vision.
The End.You can see this clearly with MW. Recently he has been saying that you need to die before you die to reach enlightenment. Correct, but what has this to do with the One Cloud Path? Anything? If you do all the HT Qigong … and then you die before you die, then … why bother with HT ? … of course it has value, but what is it’s value … ?
I have personally witnessed a number of high falutted teachers on incremental paths start to comprehend in their old age that they are doing the wrong thing, but pride gets in the way of admitting this.
Take Ouspensky, Mr G’s No1 man. After teaching people for 20 years, he became an alcoholic before declaring “We must make a new beginning on Mt Athos”. Well Mr O, all us students are 60 years old … it’s a bit late to make a new beginning.
Same thing happened with J. Krishnamurti “No-one understood me”, after teaching hundreds of thousands. Truly the scale of failure is enormous.
Problem is most teachers decide to teach before they are enlightened.
Or, even though they are enlightened they don’t understand how it happened.
Such is the maya.All these fancy sounding paths, like your advanced tantra very superior Buddhist book and the 999 stage One Cloud Path … all this is mostly going around in circles in the swamp, while the clock is ticking down.
Any true devotee should know this.
When the Light enters, everything withers in its vision.
Jesus : My God is One
Pilate : Why have I not seen your God then ??
Jesus : You did not look for himLaVey apparently on his deathbed said that he had been wrong and that he saw Light.
MW I recall said that he was never looking for a “belief system”.
Well everyone has their own way, but the thing that stands between a man and surrender and dying on the path … is precisely lack of “belief”, meaning lack of hope of Salvation, lack of hope of Supernatural help from the outside, lack of release.“Salvation” mean zero to this generation, it’s okay you don’t have to tell me.
Nevertheless it is true.
Pray for your Souls, Pray for help.
Surely we all need it.
Kartellen (English: The Cartel) is a Swedish gangstarap hip hop group founded in 2008 by Kinesen with Babyface,both serving life sentences in Finland for accessory to murder. Kinesen was also allegedly involved in an infamous airport multi-million robbery in 2002.
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartellen-
…I agree that the “music is quite good in hell” but …
My opinion is that for yoga practice much better musician/composer than Gurdjieff would be Frank Zappa.
…all these fancy sounding paths, like your advanced tantra very superior Buddhist book …
This is ignorance, this is an arrogant monkey mind complaining; one still can learn things like that and if not it would be better not to learn at all to read and write.
…pray for your Souls, pray for help…surely we all need it…
Who cares about the unconscious ?
If one doesn’t make an individual effort one also doesn’t earn any individual consciousness.
Sorry for my broken English.
HOWDY
Well yah I agree. I am doing maybe 10 hours of work on my self every day these days. From many traditions, one after the other like a stack. It’s all I do.
But … we have to have the endgame in mind. After all Buddha did lots of practices and it was only when he sat in a fragrant garden and remembered his childhood that he arrived. He thought to himself “nobody will understand”. Why not ? Because all people understand is “earning it”.
There is a path, and perhaps it is arduous. Seems that way sometimes.
But in the end we open to the Universal Consciousness and it washes the house clean. asap because the practices are only to hold off all the darkness until the Light is made.
We have to choose it, choose to surrender what we have been. Are we ready to be someone else ? After all it’s pretty exciting getting power ups and stacks of books and becoming an expert.
What would we be if we surrendered.
A nobody, nothing, unimportant.
Laozi says “a sage is useless”, like a useless tree, good for nothing.
Non-action, but full of the vitality of existence. Singing the song of existence.
Does not come easily to one who wants to earn it. Earning it, in the end is a sickness.
But of course there is evolution and involution, earning it is the first half, surrendering it the 2nd half. Without the first half there is nothing.
Best bet, prepare your exit, open yourself to U.C. , and try to surrender. Does it work ? If so that’s it.
If not a bit more practice and try again tomorrow.
Etc…
Our future is not in this dump. We are of the stars.
However difficult it is for monkey to understand, surrender, death, merging with the Light is your only hope, your finest hour, and simple sanity.
Let’s get the road on the show.
Sorry does Taoism support growing inequality and misuse of natural resources?
HOWDY
Ps. ACAB=ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS
-https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1999-07-01/turbo-capitalism-winners-and-losers-global-economy-
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/underklassmusik-underclass-music.html#ixzz51EOsA8ey
Kartellen – Underklassmusik (English translation)
Artist: Kartellen
Featuring artist: ALEKS
Song: Underklassmusik
English translation
Underclass Music
Woman:
“Well, I am no sure that we have any class differences in Sweden anymore. We don’t have any, according to sociologists.”.Man:
“In a way there might be a certain… a certain need for class divisions in society, in order for it to function”.Intro:
“They have high incomes, saved a lot of money, they have interesting jobs, there is surely one or another hidden wage benefit as well. They live in big and well well-equipped houses with greenery, gardens and are with the help of the residential segregation guarantied to have neighbors that are like them. They can indulge in vacation in holiday houses, boats or can travel to interesting destinations. Their children might, at the moment, be looking forward to a summer with language-camp, sailing trips, riding and all the rest there might be. On the other hand: we have all the people that live with bare economic minimum, who year after year have seen their spending power decrease. Maybe they live in rental-complexes and wait for the next big rent increase. They do not have any holiday houses and boats, and they economy does not allowed any expensive vacations. Their children might have to spend most of their summer holiday running around the yards between the rental-complexes.”It is Stress, fool
Look after them
Verse 1:
A single mum with two low-wage jobs
Her son gets raise by the programmes, misunderstood
It is the tears of the mother now, that grieves the son’s death
A completely different destiny, “push” the coke
He who had nothing
Flip, dribble, sick-sack between the programmes
An illusion accompanied by the vest and the gun
And his neighbor, the little kid, watches it all from his window
Duck punches from his drunk dad who’s soul is broken
Left behind and absent, labeled by on-call social workers
Now the little kid follows the pattern of the programme-rebel
Prepare his chance, naive as fuck
Though everybody won, and it is true
Some died and others disappeared in prison
And his brain is suppressing all the evils in crime
He paints castle in the clouds after fucking castles in the clouds1
And they say that hope is the last things that leaves your body
He might reach the top, make the same mistakes as usHook:
They call you a dealer, they see you as a criminal
That only makes you stronger, the road to haven can go through hell
Never forget: there is always someone that hears you!
Always someone that sees you, that always is with you, never alone!
(‘Cause it is the him) But it is the him with tie and suitcase that is a criminalVerse 2:
The fourteen year old girl is looking for love and confidence
But sordid hearts here have made her addicted
She looked for love, she payed with her head
She became a slave to drugs, hung with losers
She sells her body among drugs, suicide and shots
It’s a permanent blank lottery ticket, do you think villas hear
When there is rattling in the programmes and the boys die?2
This is underclass music for you who’ve been left out
And for the privileged it’s only getting better
Decorate their kitchens, they renovate the bathroom
Ey, what the fuck happened with the Swedish model?
The era of egotrips, it is the individualist society
And the country is run by camouflaged neo-liberals
With their motherfucking silver cutlery and decals
In philosophy it is called moral luck
In pure Swedish we can say that they were born with luckHook:
They call you a dealer, they see you as a criminal
That only makes you stronger, the road to haven can go through hell
Never forget: there is always someone that hears you!
Always someone that sees you, that always is with you, never alone!
(But it is the him) But it is the him with tie and suitcase that is a criminalVerse 3:
This is underclass music, from the bottom – subjected
Carries a street perspective, against the top – totally pissed off
But I don’t care about that, abandoned by the government in direction of the programme
(Jordbro, Fittja, Tensta, Rinkeby!)
Where friends turn into enemies
Where friends get money from the police to frame you
Should I avenge the times I’ve been betrayed
Out here, bang bang, that is the moral-maths
The street sees, the street hears, they talk until someone else gets shot
There is no one here that smiles, life is a bitch
No fucking game man, deep street-narcissism
Survival of the fittest a.k.a Darwinism
Click-clack, it is a “we-think” and crimes of violence
Just another player that follows the code of the street
It is a jungle, if you’re weak you’ll get fucking eaten
The Cartel3 are indoctrinated in the mentality of the programmes, manHook:
They call you a dealer, they see you as a criminal
That only makes you stronger, the road to haven can go through hell
Never forget: there is always someone that hears you!
Always someone that sees you, that always is with you, never alone!
(‘Cause it is the him) But it is the him with tie and suitcase that is a criminal
it is useful to use the I Ching when on the Taoist track, for ongoing adjustments. I have the Hua-ching Ni one as well as the Karcher and Wilhelm. The Hua-ching Ni one is called “The book of changes and the unchanging truth”. It has shown me the mindset of a practicing Taoist deep in the tradition. He is quite open and direct. While it might be a bit odd in parts (like the specific guidance section following the discussion of hexagram lines) overall it is a great companion in dealing with cultivation. Alchemical Taoism practice is not a head trip and this book is not. Karcher is okay, I have used it for 12 years or so. MW has recommended other versions of the I Ching on this forum. The deep insight required to penetrate events and circumstances is the job of oracles.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.