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Hi Max:
I have his 3-video set, it is the first nine of Shen Gong (Michael learned all 81 many years back) and includes the standing postures. It is from Hua Shan mountain. I think when people reference “Jade Purity” they make it seem so special and unique, the qi gong he does in that video can be found in a book “A Taoist Guide to Longevity”, by Bian Zhizhong, published 1989, ISBN 0-8351-2277-8.
let me know about the video and marrow washing class.
thanks,
bagua
just talked with my friend. He has a videotape with Jeffrey teaching alchemy movements fro jade Purity lineage. Maybe I will barrow it this weekend.
From what my friend told me now, he teaches about 3 movements for each dantian that suppose to ‘open’ them up, etc. He said for lower dantian it will take 3 months, for middle- 12-15 months, and upper- the rest of your life. He teaches only 3 movements but said it’s a short version. The full thing would take many hour to complete.
But this is only for Jade purity based system. He teaches Complete reality which builds a foundation on emtiness and let the alchemy happen in this space without any forced mental control.
He is mostly teaching in NYC but you can check his calendar here (not his website):
“The guy who gave the description is not Buddhist- just because he didn’t use a fancy taoist jargon doesn’t make him Buddhist either.”(Max)
Okay, you missed the subtle irony in my rhetorical question so I will be straight forward: if Alve Olson is not a buddhist, then why is he using terms like “Anuttarasamyaksambodhi”; this is clearly a buddhist term, is it not?
Just because he was a student of T.T Liang, who may have been a Daoist influenced by the Quanzhen school, or any of the other sects that absorbed buddhism and confucianism, why is he using buddhidt terminology and not daoist? Next thing you will be saying is that Chan masters invented focusing on the dan tien when it clearly comes from daoist practice.
From reading your quote of the Diamond Sutra, “Anuttarasamyaksambodhi” appears to be a state of complete neutrality, or rather a non-state, a stateless state. Sounds very close to what we have been describing here for quite a while in alchemical practice, but you seem to have an aversion to explaining things as even the post above only explains what it is not.
Another question:
“Anuttarasamyaksambodhi” is devoid of attachments, but is it devoid of non-attachments?
yes,
Devoid of emptiness: without or free of emptiness
not-attached to emptiness: free of an emotional pattern that clings to emptiness
Alve Olson is clearly influenced by and resting on Buddhism because his whole frame of reference rests on the ultimate buddhist state of “Anuttarasamyaksambodhi”, unless your quote was just completely taken out of context and he was using that as a metaphor for the mysterious source (wu ji) or the primordial chaos-unity (hun dun).
My reference of the similarity of “Anuttarasamyaksambodhi” to what we have been discussing here is the deep neutral state, yes, beyond the “void nature” (“kung hsing”). Kong is a reference to the later heaven void state, as in the space in an empty glass. At aby rate, Alve olson is not necessarily the last word on the ultimate state, most later Daoist religious texts call the highest state of celestial immortals the “three pure realms of the natural void” (maybe Alve places this state as lesser than the primordial or the wu ji which would make sense, but this just shows that his understanding of the cosmology is not complete), earlier texts just describe it as the Dao.
>>”Anuttarasamyaksambodhi” is devoid of attachments, but is it devoid of non-attachments?”
I’m asking this question because a lot of Buddhist practice seems to be based on letting go of attachments, so many practitioners have developed an attachment to letting go of attachments, or a mental thought form/pattern that is based on letting go of attachments.
Alve Olson is clearly influenced by and resting on Buddhism because his whole frame of reference rests on the ultimate buddhist state of “Anuttarasamyaksambodhi”.
Why would a daoist rest his/her whole frame of reference on a buddhist deity?When you meditate, do you have an expectation of emptiness, or are you stepping into the unknown, allowing for other experiences?
I will overlook your convenient ignorance of Alve’s sources for the moment. Alve seems to have created a mishmash of cosmologies: most texts (in religious daoism) that deal with the heavenly immortals and the deities of the celestial bureaucracy place the three pure ones, with the jade emperor as the most refined state; not the buddha.
While we are discussing releigious cosmologies, do you believe in any of the buddhist concepts of hell? Do you believe daoism shares this belief in hell? Do you believe that the physical realm is based on suffering?
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