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Swimming Dragon Qigong

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  • November 1, 2015 at 10:51 am #45008
    rideforever
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    The Santi stance was made famous by the pop song “Stop In the Name of Love” by the Supremes. And I am not just saying that because I am their agent !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkdze6oI5k

    November 1, 2015 at 12:09 pm #45010
    rideforever
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    Today I had a good go at learning the beginning of Swimming Dragon. I have videos from 6 different teachers including the current lineage holder and his 2 principle students and their students, and I went through the first 2 minutes of the form with each of them.

    Well, they all do different things. The timing of the limbs and body are different, the hands are different, the movements are different and so on. Each person is doing his creative variation.

    Additionally some areas of the form are quiet vague with lots of ad libbing, and others are quite tight.

    I haven’t done tai chi before so I don’t know if this is normal, but … looks like a load of ***p if you ask me.

    In the past I have done wu shu forms and karate forms, and there is only one way of doing them … and this is indicated by their martial properties. If you do not block properly then you get hit in the head, quite simple.

    Whereas in these gentle tai chi forms … it really could be total BS and nobody would know. Lots of these practitioners look like they are half asleep anyway.

    Does it really matter if (in a particular move) the hands are crossing at the wrist or at the palms ? Does it matter if your right hand is turned inwards or partly outward ?

    Well I bloody hope so !!!

    Otherwise what is the point of doing the form if everyone is doing something different. Is the form doing anything or are we just passing the time ?!!

    This is making me thing that perhaps the real reason for learning martial arts vs slow ‘stuff’ … is that you can test whether the martial arts are ‘real’ quite simply and so you are more likely not going to spend your time learning garbage that someone half remembers their grandpa teaching them.

    Too harsh ?

    November 2, 2015 at 2:05 pm #45012
    rideforever
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    A little further research into the dragon-bowels of the internet has turned up a couple of things :

    a. In fact it was a half-remembered form from somebody’s grandmother

    b. Reverse engineering the form has already been attempted by one Catherine Ingram … the form is broken down into sections and an attempt made at understanding the origin and original application of the sections here :

    http://www.youlongquan.com/index4e.html

    I had quite a good time doing my own interpretation today with the benefit of a number of student’s videos and made decisions as to what I believe to be correct and what I will learn from it. Inventing teaching and learning all at one time !

    Okay, enough with the Swimming Dragon I am sure everyone is bored to the back teeth already !!

    (“Yes we are !”)

    November 4, 2015 at 6:15 pm #45014
    c_howdy
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    …reverse engineering the form has already been attempted by one Catherine Ingram … the form is broken down into sections and an attempt made at understanding the origin and original application of the sections here…

    Better is to develop one’s own method and not waste time looking too seriously help from outside.

    HOWDY

    Ps. Sorry for my broken English.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgffzA0CY5g

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