We are ALL children of God

Dear Swedich Dragon:
Greed for enlightenment and immortality is no different than greed for material wealth.
It is self centered and dualistic, and thus an obstacle to true attainment.
Therefore these states are never achieved by those who covet them; rather, they are the reward of the virtuous.

Hua Hu Ching – Chap. 59

In one posting you present that immortality can not be a goal but is the result of virtue, yet why do you post a reply where you want to see prove for the ‘result’ by HT practices?

Yet you want a judgement by the readers of this forum, about the existance or non-existance of an end result that can not be the end result, as posted in your previous post about immortality.

Is it not about the path?

So, I believe you are questioning the path and those who walk it and those who teach it.
Is this out of concern or is this out of your own ‘point of view’ where you find your point of view the right point of view?

Instead of putting judgement on one path, you might want to enlighten us with your own view point.

Wendy

Hello Eric:

I am a Senior Instructor with the Healing Tao and a master.
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Can you share what have you mastered?

Of course the practices are important to refine your energy. This can take a lifetime of work. The ancients viewed Internal Alchemy and the Sexual practices as the key to Immortality.
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I dont believe there is any historical evidence all the ancients gave nearly as much emphasis on the sexual practices as being so important in the alchemy, certain branches do, others do not, from what I know M. Chia did not learn Iron Shirt 3 from One Cloud, another source.

Someone asked you if desiring immortality is barrier to it, you responded by saying the greed of this desire is a barrier, or something like that. Curious why you took his desire and made it greed? Is a healthy desire ok???

I have not met any taoist I would say reflects what some call an Immortal, in my filtered eyes I have not, have you, if yes can you share who?

regards,
bagua

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999. In this book & “100 Days”, I was able to organize a method of learning Taoist Yoga from a book, that put together many different parts of the Healing Tao system as well as from other sources. His main point was that I had created my own system, something I had not consciously set out to do. He spontaneously told me that now I was a master. He describes it in his Introduction to “Taoist Yoga & Sexual Energy”. I am a master of my own system of teaching Taoist Yoga and Chi Kung this is why I can call myself a master. It doesn’t make me better than you, I’m just further along on my Way.

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.

On another level, I practiced higher magic for a number of years before I started studying Taoist Yoga and I naturally brought these skills with me. This has absolutely nothing to do with black magic.I’d call it karmic or evolutionary magic. Over the years I have dealt with gods, goddesses, angels and demons. I will say that this is a very, very dangerous path. An extremely terrifying path. It was something that began by happening to me, not something I ever sought out. To me the fact that I’m still here after 40 years on this path leads me to consider myself to be a master sorcerer, but there really is no such title, my wife tells me she has no doubt that this is who I am. I’d say that at the beginning I was given a chance at a chance to survive. I’m not trying to be dramatic here, I’m just telling you my truth. Look at it this way, if I hadn’t mastered my situation, I would never have been able to write my books and as far as I can see, there really is nothing else like them out there. I had help writing them, but it wasn’t human help and the books turned out the way they were meant to turn out, hopefully for generations to come.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age. I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor. Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should effect effect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.

As far as any Healing Tao immortals are concerned, I was really just asking. Maybe there are and maybe there aren’t. I’d like to know myself. As far as my own level of progress is concerned, that stays with me. But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
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Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
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I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
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My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
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Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
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How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
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Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
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Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
***************
I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
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Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
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Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
***************
I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
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Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove

Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?

By the way, something you might not know. Before there even was a Healing Tao, Master Chia called and advertised his system as “Taoist Esoteric Yoga”.
***************
I am fully aware of this.

As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.

I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.

Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?

As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.

But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
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Really.

If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?

regards,
bagua

Eric Yudelove