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May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34271Little Bo PeepParticipant
Master is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
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Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
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Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
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Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
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Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34273Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34275Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34277Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34279Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34281Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34283Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34285Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
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Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
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How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
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Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
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Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34287Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
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Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34289Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 6:53 pm #34291Little Bo PeepParticipantMaster is a title that was bestowed on me by Master Chia after I finished writing my 3rd book “Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy” in 1999.
*******************************
Can you share who made M. Chia a master?
Can you guide us to where on his website or any literature he grants you a Master level?As far as I know White Cloud.
He actually named me a master before I finished this book. He writes all about it in the Introduction. Read it. He also gave me a Certificate, which hangs on my wall in NY. Right now I’m in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
As far as sexual practices are concerned in the authentic old books, they are generally regarded as being of equal importance as internal alchemy because they provide energy neccesary to continue with the practices well into old age.
***************
My point was there is no consensus all the ancients emphasized sexual practices were equal to qi gong/nei gong/formulas or living a natural life. Lao Zi, Chaung Zi, etc. do not emphasize them. Of course there is a branch that does, as recent as the Dragon Gate System of Tao, southern and northern branches split on this.There were schools that practiced internal alchemy and there were schools that didn’t. It sounds like you’ve read too much Thomas Cleary. As far as I’m concerned, I’ve read many of his translations and don’t think he has a clue about Internal Alchemy. The two authors you mention do not discuss Internal Alchemy, they deal with Taoist philosophy.
I am currently in the White Mountains and not near my library, or I would quote from a number of sources. But I did a lot of research on this matter and this was what I found. Realistically, all of Chia’s alchemical formulas starting with lesser Kan & Li are sexually based, just not necessarily sex as is commonly understood. The universe itself can be considered as being the result of sexuality on a much higher level.
************************
Its interesting you and M. Chia tend to describe this process as sex or sexual, it seems an obsession, the filtering lense for this process of transformation. To view all interactions as sex or sexual does reveal much.It’s not an obsession. Do a little reading from the alchemical classics. The origin of the universe that eminated from the Tai Chi was Yin and Yang. What do you think that means? The birth of the universe is the archetype of sexuality.
Chia only learned the alchemical formulas from White Cloud. He travelled all over the Orient learning from other teachers as well.
*********************
How do you know he learned them from White Cloud and what exactly was learned and what was added on over the years?He told me. As for the rest, you can ask him yourself. You sound like a prosecutor.
As far as desire for immortality is concerned, the words I quoted were not my own but from the “Hua Hu Ching” considered to be oral teachings of Lao Tzu. I can see how it can be a tricky subject. I guess I’d interpret it as saying if you start out with your main goal being immortality or this becomes your real aim, your motivations are selfish and poor.
*************************************
Did M. Chia have a desire for being an immortal? Did you, do all the people who practice these methods? Are they all greedy? Its interesting you took his genuine concern to the extreme of greed, I took it differently, just a concern for having an desire, a buddhist might say even desire for enlightenment can be a barrier to it.I didn’t take anything to the extreme of greed. You left out the rest of the paragraph.
“Consider the qualities of virtue and how they should affect your practice, the betterment of mankind and not solely personal development, should be of primary importance. Other factors include your own spiritual level at birth, which would be based on karma and past lives, your parents and who knows what else.”
Do you have something against Virtue?But so far, I’m the only master that Chia ever made. Michael says they changed the rules after me. I don’t know. To me it really just signifies a level of attainment, like a high degree blackbelt. This carries a lot of responsibility.
Chia
*******************************
Really.If what you says is true he granted you a master of a book you wrote, he did not make you a master of the healing tao, why is that?
Chia is Master of the Healing Tao. I am simply a Tao Master not master of a book I wrote. I had no desire to be a master in an organization or do it for money. To me that is very unTaoist. I am basically a Taoist hermit.
Please couch future questions , if you have them, without the implication that I might be lying. I don’t do that.
I have a question: What are your accomplishments that make you think it is OK to take such a haughty attitude?
Master Eric Yudelove
May 29, 2010 at 11:41 pm #34293Little Bo PeepParticipantI tried to forget but after years of trying, I figured there was only one right way, that of acceptance and integration, all other ways I tried, failed…
I think this is what I was trying to say. As you say, acceptance and integration.
Then you go on with your life.No it is not, it actually opened up many more questions, like, what is death exactly?
Having had such an experience with an Immortal, you are aware that immortality exists. Knowing this you should see that death means moving on to a different state of being.
Classic Taoist literature says there is no death, death is something that the mind conceives of and the mind is really nothing. By this it is meant that it is really our ego that fears death and our ego is a creation of our mind and is mortal. A Taoist sage understands that death is simply a natural passage to a different state of being within the one life of the universe.
Of course there is no proof of any of this. But it’s all really a big mystery. How can death be explained when we can’t even prove what life is?
Speaking from my own experience, what set me on this path was a life or death experience that happened to me almost exactly 40 years ago. I’ve never publicly told this story before. I was standing in my shower when suddenly my consciousness flew out of the middle of my forehead. I was instantly aware that I was pure energy and the sensation was incomparable. I seemed to be travelling through space at a high velocity. I became aware of a presence travelling next to me. It felt like I was in the presence of God. He asked me telepathically if I liked it here? I answered that it was the most wonderful thing I had ever experienced. He or it then asked me if I would like to stay? In the distance I became aware of my ancestors calling to me and beckoning me to join them. It was so wonderful, joyous and peaceful that I knew I never wanted to leave and go back to the chaos, stress and noise of the Earth. The voice then asked me if I wanted to stay? Before I could answer it said “You can stay if you want to, but if you do this will happen.” Suddenly I was turned around 180 degrees and was looking back at the Earth as it receded. Without warning the Earth exploded into bits.
Before I could even think I said, “That’s no choice send me back.” Instantly I was back in my shower and my life was never the same.
I have read about Taoist initiations that consisted of giving an apprentice a poison that might or might not kill him. The idea was to send the apprentice to meet his ancestors. He could decide to stay with them(die) or return to his body. If he returned he would be known henceforth as a walking dead man and referred to as being the same yet different. Some Mexican Toltec shaman have a similar initiation; if the apprentice returns to Earth from the Unknown, he is hence forth known as a Nagual.
After my experience, I never again feared death.
Sometimes we must come to grips with the realization that there are mysteries that are unsolvable, like trying to understand the Tao or what exactly is death. We must just accept this and go on with our lives or endlessly keep questioning our reality and drive ourselves crazy.Eric Yudelove
May 30, 2010 at 8:59 am #34295wendyParticipantMany thanks for sharing one of your experiences that made you who you are.
I had a sort of similar one with the immortal, where he asked me ‘do you want the power’, I was very aware of the fact that this could either be a good or a bad question, not knowing at that point what entity was asking this, maybe he was offering something but wanting something in return. So I did not answer. His energybody was half into mine, a merging of both our energies. He asked again if I wanted the power, again I did not respond, my mind was running like crazy to figure out what to do with this question, to take it or leave it. When he asked the last time I knew that this was it, he would not ask again and I either missed a chance or I saved myself from something bad. But I did say ‘yes I want it’. That moment his full energybody merged with mine and we became one. He also entered me sexually, but I will skip that part here.
The whole merging took several hours and during that he painted my body with symbols, talked to me, showed me things and he also showed me the destruction of earth.
I never left my body, it was a merging of time and space inside my body, where my mind,thinking and feelings were intact and his presence was temporarily in the same time and space, within my body. It was more that I was watching a movie screen where he projected images which I could see.After that I walked through my own land of shadows for a very long time, trying to figure out what was what, and I agree it was not a good thing to do, it was driving me crazy to understand something with my too small mind, something that is not to be understood within the human reality.
Yet it made me many times stronger at the end.
As I understand from your Dragon Master use of name
Like you at met my own dragons, to be correct I became one
They merged permanently in my spine and my body, after that integration of many months, they offered me a dragon heart to complete the process, they asked me if I wanted it, again I was doubting to take on something unknown, yet I accepted, that dragon heart made me feel like I was newborn, it was the most beautiful experience in my life, I was reborn.
Since I look through different eyes, still my eyes, but just different.And yes, acceptance, integration and moving on are the most wise things to do.
Yet I wanted a partner who was willing to live with me as I am. The dragons found Chris (that is how he is describing it himself), I divorced my old life and so did he, we engaged in March and we will remarry next summer on my side, the European continent and I will move to his side, the American continent, to have a quiet solitary life, between the Lake and the Mountain, that is where dragons strive best ๐So nice you shared parts of YOU…
Dragons are all about truthWendy
May 30, 2010 at 3:04 pm #34297singing oceanParticipantI am glad that your overall experience turned out to be positive. I just wanted to interject that there is a current discussion going on amongst former thread commenters from this forum right now about how Kunlun Qigong is calling in a whole (Dragon?) reptile lineage, and even affecting family members that are not practicing. There might be a bit of fear-mongering there, or just people being unsure of how to proceed because the lineage holder is not offering guidance except apparently having said to “let go” of these visitations because they can be distractions on the path (which sounds like a balanced statement to me).
Collection of thread posts about some questionable experiences
http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/9592-kunlun-follow-up-poll/page__st__480__p__131165&#entry131165Description of pros and cons
http://www.precisiondocs.com/~altaoism/kunlun.htmKunlun Qigong sounds like an interesting method, the foundation practice resembles a form of kan and li, and also resembles one of the postures from Primordial qigong, FG or Taijiquan that looks like “Holding the ball”. Of course there are also promises of “amazing qi”, and it sounds like its possible to do it too much.
I would be interested to hear from Craig in portland as I think he posted about it last year, and also mentioned that he had taken but stopped doing some David Verdesi stuff.
May 30, 2010 at 3:11 pm #34299Swedich DragonParticipantYes as I thought!
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