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March 31, 2008 at 3:51 pm #27974DogParticipant
-I do not know if this will help scientists account for the the raise in sea level we have http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
But I think people on here will find it interesting.March 26, 2008
By Bill Harby
Hawaii MagazineWe always knew Hawaii volcanoes were unprecedented.
Hawaiian Volcano Observatory geologists have been analyzing the steam and gas plume thats been gushing from Halemaumau crater at the summit of Kilauea since March 11th.
Photo: Halemaumau vent on 3/24/08 courtesy of USGS
They’ve found something they didnt expect: the H2O in their test tubes is not from ground water. It’s been released from the molten subterranean magma itself.
Theyre calling it juvenile water, and its never been seen before anywhere on the planet, says Jim Kauahikaua, chief scientist.
There was more good gas news, released today at a press briefing on the edge of the crater.
Levels of toxic sulfur dioxide at the summit are six to ten times greater than before the eruptionbad news for anyone downwind, especially anyone with respiratory problems.
The good news? Sulfur dioxide reacts with sunlight and the atmosphere and soon breaks down. So all those folks living on the Kona Coast have little to be concerned about. Sure, they can see the hazeand thats no fun. But they can breathe a sigh of relief that theres little SO2 in the air.
In addition, theres cultural fallout from the on-going summit eruption. The annual Merrie Monarch Hula Festivalthe worlds most prestigious hula competitionbegins in four days and lasts for a week.
Traditionally, each hula halau (troupe) visits the rim of Halemaumau to honor fire goddess Pele. That wont be possible this year.
So the staff at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park is making other arrangements for the dancers. Were going to have other areas where they can come and be escorted by park rangers, said park superintendent Cindy Orlando today.
Hawaii County mayor Harry Kim added that his staff is doing likewise down at the coast, where dancers will come to pay their respects next to the flowing lava still entering the sea.
http://www.hawaiimagazine.com/blogs/hawaii_today/2008/3/26/volcano_pressconf
April 1, 2008 at 7:18 pm #27975StevenModeratorI don’t know; I think you’d have to release a lot of “buried” water
this way to affect sea levels!I somewhat wonder if this is just the returning of water that
may be subducting into the earth at different locations where
one continental plate is sliding down under another–carrying
some water with it.S
April 2, 2008 at 1:03 pm #27977DogParticipantCould be? I think they are pretty sure it is formed Chemicaly, and I found it interesting as it relates to the creation cycle.
April 2, 2008 at 3:19 pm #27979StevenModeratorYeah, maybe the earth is performing a little water-and-fire
alchemy here. 🙂Oh, by the way, Dog, here is an article I just ran
across that I’m sure you’ll enjoy, heh heh:—————————–
States suing EPA to move on global warming
Citing Supreme Court ruling, allies want to force rules within 60 daysVehicles account for about a third of greenhouse gas emissions tied to global warming. A lawsuit wants the courts to force the EPA into action to curb those emissions.
MSNBC staff and news service reports
updated 2 hours, 53 minutes agoBOSTON – A coalition of states is suing the Bush administration to force it to comply with a Supreme Court ruling that rebuked what justices called inaction on global warming.
The Supreme Court said in April 2007 that carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels is a pollutant subject to the Clean Air Act. The court directed the EPA to determine if carbon dioxide emissions, linked to global warming, endanger public health and welfare.
If that is the case, the court said, the EPA must regulate the emissions.
The 18 states, two cities and 11 environmental groups said in a court filing set for Wednesday that the EPA has not issued a decision on regulation. Their court filing seeks to compel the EPA to act within 60 days.
The EPAs failure to act in the face of these incontestable dangers is a shameful dereliction of duty, said Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley.
The Sierra Club, which is also part of the lawsuit, accused the Bush administration of favoring industry. “While this administration has done everything possible to make a mockery of the rule of law in this country, its still stunning that they refuse to yield even to the high court,” said Sierra Club climate counsel David Bookbinder.
EPA spokesman Jonathan Shradar said the Supreme Court required the agency to evaluate how it would regulate greenhouse gas emissions from cars and other vehicles but set no deadline.
The EPA plans to include the evaluation in a broader look at how to best regulate all greenhouse gas emissions, not just those from vehicles, he said. Otherwise, a mash of laws and regulations could emerge rather than the holistic approach the administration favors.
We want to set a good foundation to build a strong climate policy of potential regulation and laws we can work toward and actually see some success, Shradar said.
EPA chief signals go-slow approach
EPA administrator Stephen Johnson last Thursday told lawmakers that the agency would not be rushed into deciding.Such action “could affect many (emission) sources beyond just cars and trucks” and needs to be examined broadly as to other impacts, he wrote the leaders of the House and Senate environment committees.
Johnson said he has decided to begin the process by seeking public comment on the implications of regulating carbon dioxide on other agency rules that cover everything from power plants and factories to schools and small businesses.
That process could take months and led some of his critics to suggest he was shunting the sensitive issue to the next administration.
“This is the latest quack from a lame-duck EPA intent on running out the clock … without doing a thing to combat global warming,” said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass. He is chairman of the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.
Johnson said that if CO2 is found to endanger public health and welfare, the agency probably would have to curtail such emissions from other sources as well. That could affect a range of air pollution, from cement factories, refineries and power plants to cars, aircraft, schools and off-road vehicles.
“Rather than rushing to judgment on a single issue, this approach allows us to examine all the potential effects of a decision with the benefit of the public insight,” Johnson wrote.
Sen. Barbara Boxer, who heads the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, noted that Johnson has had nearly a year to respond to the court but “now, instead of action, we get more foot-dragging.”
“Time is not on our side when it comes to avoiding dangerous climate change. This letter makes it clear that Mr. Johnson and the Bush administration are not on our side, either,” Boxer, D-Calif., said in a statement.
EPA staff: Draft rule shelved
Senior EPA employees have told congressional investigators in the House about a tentative finding from early December that CO2 posed a danger because of its climate impact. They said a draft regulation was distributed to the Transportation Department and the White House.The EPA officials, in interviews with the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said those findings were put on hold abruptly. Johnson has said that enacting tougher automobile mileage requirements in December meant that the issue had to be re-examined.
The plaintiffs in Wednesday’s court action include attorneys general from Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia, plus the city of New York, and the mayor and city council of Baltimore.
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